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05-29-2012, 02:29 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 336
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
I don't know Casey nor do I have anything against him. At the time of his bust out I felt like he played the hand badly. Blinds 25-50 level 2 (start w/ 4500 chips for tournament) he opr ep (I wasn't really paying attn to betsizing preflop for whatever reason at the time but postflop is vivid), tight lady calls, flop J97r, he bets 125 or so, she calls, turn 9h bringing 2 hears, he bets 250 or so, she makes it 675 (she never has air here, nor is she folding to a shove), he jams for 2200 w/ A6hh w/ nfd and is drawing dead to her 77. I'm 100% sure she had him covered because she was the cl on the table at the time and he got up and left (w/ no chips in front of him).
The line isn't terrible but it's terrible against her for the reasons I stated so I felt he misplayed it, also table was soft and he can wait for a better spot. He had 2700 or so to start the hand. There was a hand few hands before where he called a raiser, flop Q94, bet call, turn 8, chk chk, riv 8, bet call and other guy shows AA and Casey mucks...not sure if that's the QQ vs. AA hand he's talking about but he doesn't lose more than 1k in that hand (and obviously QQ wins).
I'm browsing twitter a few mins. later and I see him tweet that he busted QQ into AA w/ something about stacks being short and lol'ed because I knew he was lying. I was amused by the fact he was lying and was trying to think why he'd do so so I hashtagged something about trying to please his backers. I have no idea if he has backers or if he's playing on his own but I was just trying to make light of the situation, not call him out. Although based on feedback people felt like I should out him, in case he did indeed have backers.
I also find it funny that he's downplaying it w/ later tweets (after being exposed), even lying saying he lost most of his chips w/ QQ to AA. Like others have said, if he's playing on his own, it's whatever and I found it funny to lie and I just tweeted it for entertainment purposes, but if he has backers then it's unethical (everybody telling me so).
Last edited by John K; 05-29-2012 at 02:38 AM.
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05-29-2012, 03:13 AM
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#32
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For President
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: YOLO
Posts: 8,370
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
history is what is written by the guy with the most twitter followers.
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05-29-2012, 03:27 AM
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#33
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baja
Posts: 10,817
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
really hope to see #straightliar trending
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05-29-2012, 03:40 AM
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#34
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 470
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
John K and others,
Out liars about poker bust outs and never even question it. Just do it. Do it to their face, do it to their back. Do it!
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05-29-2012, 07:58 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,033
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
who cares.
can anybody here say that he's not a winning player? or plus EV in almost any big field tournament?
big deal.
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05-29-2012, 08:00 AM
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#36
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,553
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by John K
I don't know Casey nor do I have anything against him. At the time of his bust out I felt like he played the hand badly. Blinds 25-50 level 2 (start w/ 4500 chips for tournament) he opr ep (I wasn't really paying attn to betsizing preflop for whatever reason at the time but postflop is vivid), tight lady calls, flop J97r, he bets 125 or so, she calls, turn 9h bringing 2 hears, he bets 250 or so, she makes it 675 (she never has air here, nor is she folding to a shove), he jams for 2200 w/ A6hh w/ nfd and is drawing dead to her 77. I'm 100% sure she had him covered because she was the cl on the table at the time and he got up and left (w/ no chips in front of him).
The line isn't terrible but it's terrible against her for the reasons I stated so I felt he misplayed it, also table was soft and he can wait for a better spot. He had 2700 or so to start the hand. There was a hand few hands before where he called a raiser, flop Q94, bet call, turn 8, chk chk, riv 8, bet call and other guy shows AA and Casey mucks...not sure if that's the QQ vs. AA hand he's talking about but he doesn't lose more than 1k in that hand (and obviously QQ wins).
I'm browsing twitter a few mins. later and I see him tweet that he busted QQ into AA w/ something about stacks being short and lol'ed because I knew he was lying. I was amused by the fact he was lying and was trying to think why he'd do so so I hashtagged something about trying to please his backers. I have no idea if he has backers or if he's playing on his own but I was just trying to make light of the situation, not call him out. Although based on feedback people felt like I should out him, in case he did indeed have backers.
I also find it funny that he's downplaying it w/ later tweets (after being exposed), even lying saying he lost most of his chips w/ QQ to AA. Like others have said, if he's playing on his own, it's whatever and I found it funny to lie and I just tweeted it for entertainment purposes, but if he has backers then it's unethical (everybody telling me so).
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He's saying on Twitter that the board wasn't Q9488 in that one hand so I guess it's your word against his and this point. But even if you misread the board and he's telling the truth he's still exaggerating his bustout making it sound like he lost the most chips there when if what you're saying is true he lost most of it in the bustout hand. Also he had claimed before deleting that tweet that "see, I mentioned the A6 hand a few tweets back" when that's clearly a hand from a tournament the previous night where he says he got it in pre with A6ss vs 77, flopped a flush draw, but lost. So bizarre. I don't really care, but I think it's funny when people are called out as liars and how they respond, and his response so far has been the "it doesn't even matter"/mocking/sarcasm/who even cares route. Also I had always thought that everyone's tourney bustouts always seemed to be either flips/coolers/beats so we know it's not just Casey.
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05-29-2012, 08:02 AM
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#37
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,553
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur
who cares.
can anybody here say that he's not a winning player? or plus EV in almost any big field tournament?
big deal.
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I think it's more about the issue in general then Casey specifically, and the topic of backed players lying to their stakers about how they busted is worth discussion in a poker forum I would think.
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05-29-2012, 08:46 AM
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#38
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 139
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
Shady happenings in the live MMT world? Wow.
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05-29-2012, 10:27 AM
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#39
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 340
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
seems like tweeting bust-out hands and the like is nothing more than the live version of bbvs on 2p2 and other forums. I bust out of a game, im going to play another, unless I shouldnt for whatever reason. I'm not wasting my time tweeting it, I can tell the people I care to tell later, bc this is the result.
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05-29-2012, 10:53 AM
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#40
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,829
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur
who cares.
can anybody here say that he's not a winning player? or plus EV in almost any big field tournament?
big deal.
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Only if it's on Sunday and only if it is a major tournament online.
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05-29-2012, 11:57 AM
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#41
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,855
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by Hurts_Doesnt_It?
Shady happenings in the live MMT world? Wow.
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mixed martial tournaments?
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05-29-2012, 03:14 PM
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#42
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2012
Location: New York, New York, USA
Posts: 64
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
i'd be shocked if lying about the hands on twitter wasn't commonplace and done by pretty much every pro, or even amateur, whenever they could get away with it. they probably see it as an advantage to the opponent if they tell the truth.
btw, imo, if less than 85% of your bustouts are suckouts by the other player, you're not good enough to be a pro.
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05-29-2012, 03:30 PM
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#43
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one time Plz???
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: OUT YOUR POCKET MOOOTTTHAAA ****AAA
Posts: 17,395
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
history is what is written by the guy with the most twitter followers.
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History written by Lady Gaga and Bieber?? God help us all
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Originally Posted by iBOOBOO
mixed martial tournaments?
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I can dodge kicks baby!
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05-29-2012, 03:37 PM
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#44
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,703
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
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Originally Posted by romledbetter
btw, imo, if less than 85% of your bustouts are suckouts by the other player, you're not good enough to be a pro.
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Pretty much the opposite, the bad players are usually the ones overly concerned with getting it in good.
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05-29-2012, 03:46 PM
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#45
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 501
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Re: Pros calling out other pros for misreporting bustout hands...
Regardless of what did or did not happen, poker pretty much polices itself and so yes people should call other people out for stuff like that.
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