I was asked about safe depo box in interview and I told him what employes told me. They aren't available. Many players carry book bags and keep chips in there. I'm cool on carrying a purse to a high limit card game. I have an attorney at all times. He is the best. And a great friend of mine and am in the middle do a custody battle then this happens. If I'm going to get on my friends radio show I need legal advice to ensure I don't comment on things that could harm the investigation in any way. U good now tough guy?

Cleveland horseshoe and staff are my friends. I have no attention of anything but remaining that way.

Have u read the thread ? His neighbors door is a few feet from his. Smashing windows or doors is not a viable. Option for the villains . It would attract too much attention and give the hero time to flee or prepare to defend. If he doesn't roll out the red carpet for them they are not attempting a very loud after hours home invasion . What does " go around back " mean ? Did op mention an unsecured back entrance ? Or are u just making **** up as u go along?
No . They are prolly not coming back midday, specially if they are black in a white neighborhood and u read anything op has said, they would not have gotten the $$ if they came back midday anyway , it's was going to mommy's house asap

i hope police and all has aranged aftercare cause its quite long run too recover from this esp this taken place at ur home

esp for the kid i dont know if he saw/heard it but its verry hard

all the best and good luck sir
keep ur back straight and ur head up!!

Right. So they came armed, but, they probably would not have smashed a window or gone through a back door because they might wake up the neighbors. So by your reasoning they wouldnt have used their guns either because they would be to loud. So, what your saying really is, that OP probably could have used his baseball bat or fists because they were not going to use the guns anyway (TO LOUD) or, not answer the door in the first place and the gunmen would have tiptoed away into the dark night undercover by darkness disguised by their skin colour in a white neighborhood. I think i gotcha

OP, its all your fault.

Still have not answered the questions, tough guy.
See you at the shoe when you stop wetting your pants......

jk- you are looking at this wrong imo...

You are safe, your kid is safe, you learned an extremely valuable lesson >>>> 150k. You should be happy.

Here are some things you might want to do moving forward:

1. Keep a lower profile. Keep your name/info off the internet. Don't flaunt in front of the less fortunate- that's just super basic common sense.

2. Live somewhere with security (gated community, alarms systems are cheap as ****, etc). Especially since you have a kid...

3. Put the majority of your roll in the bank! You gotta pay taxes if you ever want to use that money for anything worthwhile, so just accept it/do it. Keep what you need to play with in a player's bank or safe deposit box at the casino. Never bring a lot of money home under any circumstance.

4. Start treating everyone in your poker/real world better than good. Especially people who are harder/more street than you. It's another layer of protection, and it's also just a chill way to live your life obv.

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Good luck getting the money back- gonna be hard for them to cash the chips I'd imagine. Either way, if you are good it's not like you can't rebuild. Plenty of poker players have degened away (or had it tied up by the DOJ) more than 150k and successfully rebuilt by grinding.

GL

Sorry to hear that, GL in recovering the money

last time I opened a door for 2 strangers it was an IRS agent and a Nevada Gaming Control Board agent..

never again

Contrary to what u may believe or may have watched on TV, the villains have 1 more reason than op for not having the situation escalate . They can get shot and go to jail. Noise attracts neighbors and a quicker ire police response time . If OP doesn't open the door you think they shoot it up or kick it in? I think they go away quickly and quietly they can't get $$ out of a dead shot up OP( unless it's sitting out in the open ) and they have much less time to intimidate him into giving it up if they have already attracted attention by breaking windows, smashing doors or shooting **** up.

Amazingly, he said he was told Horseshoe Cleveland doesn't have deposit boxes. I figured every casino had them but if you have been to the Horseshoe Cleveland (I have once) it wouldn't surprise you. The place is truly 4th or 5th rate. Worst casino I have ever been to and I have been to some pretty ****ty ones.

Never been there. Was very surprised to learn there were even big games/highish stakes poker pros in Ohio tbh... They don't have boxes OR player banks? That seems ridiculous/I've never heard of that.

Regardless, don't bring it home.

Also, I don't agree all that money being in his house saved his life. I believe it endangered his (and his kid's) life. Not blaming him for making a very common mistake/oversight, I just wouldn't mind discussing that part further, as someone who keeps his roll exclusively in the bank/boxes.

jkjkjk what were the denominations of the chips? Can they be cashed in at any horshoe or are Cleveland's unique? If they are 1k and under probably no chance but the casino may be able to be on the lookout for nonregs with a handful of 5k chips.

You think JK hasn't already contemplated every single thing all these hindsight legends are saying behind their cpu in their safe lil homes? Of course he knows better now, and has paid the ultimate price for whatever carelessness he displayed that night. Everyone of us who's had $ at one point has definitely slipped up and was careless with it and thankfully there wasn't two masked men with guns there to exploit it...god forbid it happens to any of us but because of stories like this, we can all learn from it and thank God JK and his son are okay...but he doesn't need anymore "advice" from anyone as i knows he's gone through a nightmare and has certainly pondered on the "what ifs" a million times in his head already.

There aren't afaik. The biggest game at this casino that routinely runs during peak hours is 2/5 NLHE from what I am told. That is why I think some news outlets saying this was from poker are probably completely wrong. No way the vast majority of this money came from anywhere but the pits.

And yes, the no box thing is absolutely incredible to me, especially considering the fact that when I was there you had to walk across 2 separate desolate streets with little lighting and at least half a dozen bums harrassing you for money just to get to casino parking (which if you didn't get validated cost you $35 to park in) from the casino. There was no covered walkway and I believe valet parking was under the same roof as the parking garage so either way you had to walk across both these dark streets that were littered by harassing bums.

JK Sorry to read about your loss but as others have said thankfully you and your son are ok.
If in the future you have the need to keep large sums of cash in the house try to spread it out. Put a good sized chunk of it (un-banded) where a thief would expect you to keep it like a safe or fireproof box. The rest in unlikely spots. Under the bag in a box of Wheaties, wrapped in foil in the freezer etc. Just make sure to tell a loved one to never throw anything away without first checking.
Like myself, my late father didn't much trust the federal lapdogs known as banks. I was amazed at some of the places I found cash after his passing.
Best of luck.

Keep ur money in a safe. The gunman can't shoot you cause then they wouldnt get into the safe so their bullying is pointless. They may shoot you but it isn't gonna help if you die.

I always check for tails on the way home from the casino and have several layers of home security but yeah playing live it's always bitter sweet to have a big night

Obv I'm super sick of explaining myself "mommy" was coming to safe depo box in case one of us died the money would not be stuck in there. I am currently single and my son is 2 (kinda young to put it in his name) I appreciate the kind words and we'll wishes from u all. The rest can think whatever they feel like. I really honestly don't give a ****. I tried to be nice and tell people and share the story. I got nothing to hide. Lie about. Or anyone to impress. To the guy that said see u at the shoe all I can really comment on that is ....LOL. Gl all

if he owned a gun and tried to use it, chances are he´d be dead now.

stupid NRA whore. i rather not tell you, what you deserve.

I see two scenarios being most likely here.

1. They realize you aren't going to open the safe and kill you and try to find a way to transfer safe elsewhere or get tools to open it in the home (staying longer and possibly harming your family members etc)

2. They torture you til you open it, which you will.

Tell me how you win here?

I haven't seen my child since I was almost murdered and don't know if i ever will again. I'm being attacked by the world bc I won some money and was robbed of it. I litterally can't take anymore.

100 % agree. Whether yo coin is in a a safe or sock they put a gun to your boys head, you givin it up

I have a concealed carry permit, and several handguns. You're way out of f**king line to suggest that merely owning a gun would have prevented this. In fact, it's possible it may have escalated the situation, and made it worse.

To everyone who is turning into a Monday night quarterback, get a grip. The guy was just robbed at gunpoint, and it's pretty likely that it wasn't a random occurrence -- they likely knew he was a poker player who had money on his person, and in his house.

The idea that any of this is his "fault" is ridiculous; the scumbags who decided to rob him at gunpoint are the ones who did wrong here.

Hi JK - I think it's terrible that this happened, couldn't imagine if it happened to me, etc.

I noticed you said you're in the midst of a custody battle. Assuming divorce, I also assume your wife was aware of the $$ you kept in the house? Was she due to receive any of the $$?