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08-10-2012, 07:30 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
The PPA, and Rich especially, has done a great job being a professional voice for our rights. They have provided structure and made it easy for us to make our voice heard (twitter, FB, e-mail, etc). They have provided everyone with updates about important events. As someone who has been around the poker community for many years, I see first hand the level of activity and commitment to players' rights that Rich brings day in and day out. It's something that's badly needed atm.
Not sure what else anyone wants ...
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08-10-2012, 07:52 PM
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#122
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stranger
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 13
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
I'm Canadian. I also had no $ on FTP, just Stars for cheesburgers. I play now more than ever though, against an ever shrinking pool of players it seems. All that being said, I salut the PPA for at least helping in the obvious change in perception of online poker in the US. There were no voices in support, only bashing. At least now it is talked about in the US political system and sometimes now even favourably. I don't know how much the PPA has to do with that over the last 5 years but they sure as heck did more than someone doing nothing??? Therefore, everyone should respect that to get this thing regulated in the states, which is a leader in a lot of ways that maybe ROW will follow and we can all play together again. And then I can take your US $ hopefully ;-) Good luck all.
Last edited by MiddlePair; 08-10-2012 at 07:53 PM.
Reason: clarity?
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08-10-2012, 08:14 PM
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#123
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 179
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
I don't think that we can thank the PPA enough for their herculean efforts on behalf of all poker players. Much of the negativity emanating from this thread is from people with limited life experience and the flaming and criticism is largely borne of ignorance.
In terms of the PPA’s efforts at the national level, it is important to note that the federal government is a massive, bloated behemoth of a bureaucracy. Lobbying the federal government is an ongoing process of drips, i.e., you drip on as many people involved in the legislative process as much as you can until you break through. Winning at this level takes time, is tedious and the war is won in small pitched battles, not in one massive conflagration.
Furthermore, the battle that the PPA is engaged in is about freedom. The PPA is fighting for liberty so as to allow us to utilize our time and resources in any way that we deem appropriate, as long as we are not harming others. There are many people in this country who, for one misguided reason or another, unfortunately stand in the way of freedom. Without groups like the PPA those who would deny our freedoms would stand largely unopposed, which is a sad but true commentary on our society at large in today’s times of massive government spending and overreaching regulations and laws that restrict economic and personal liberty.
The battle for the choice to play online poker in our own homes, on our own time and with our own money is the battle for a basic freedom, and every basic freedom counts because when they take away one they can easily attempt to take away others. As former Senator D’Amato himself has stated, "It's a cause for personal choice and freedom that I've always thought epitomizes what this country's about.” For those of you flaming the PPA, please stop to think for a moment about what you have done to help this cause and what positive impact, if any, you have had on this process.
I believe that the PPA has worked tirelessly on behalf of all of us and deserves our strong support. Thank you again to The Engineer, Skallgrim, John Pappas, Alfonse D’Amato and the other PPA Board members and staffers that have fought so hard to benefit all of us!
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08-10-2012, 08:35 PM
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#124
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stranger
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 7
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
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Originally Posted by vegetera
What work?`What have PPA accomplished really?
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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24
i wonder if the PPA believes they helped get FTP funds back to US players
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What makes them think that the US government is going to listen to anything they have to say? And even if they did listen, which is highly unlikely, why would they have the right to make decisions or suggestions about the handling of others people money in the first place?
The pretentiousness of the PPA is truly comical. They have accomplished nothing & played 0% into people getting their money back.
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08-10-2012, 08:59 PM
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#125
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Omaha Nebraska! Back home!
Posts: 842
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
This topic is kinda like the NWO, youre either with it or against it.....
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08-10-2012, 09:04 PM
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#126
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: DEATH ALLEY ARIZONA
Posts: 154
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
Thanks for you time and efforts Rich..I appreciate your commitment, and your integrity speaks for itself...
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08-11-2012, 11:21 AM
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#127
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 386
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TE. Tell them the players want an option to donate their rolls to the PPA. Some have such small amounts they would probably not bother unless it was going to a good cause.
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08-11-2012, 11:42 AM
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#128
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 16,248
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
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Originally Posted by BirdofPrey
I don't think that we can thank the PPA enough for their herculean efforts on behalf of all poker players. Much of the negativity emanating from this thread is from people with limited life experience and the flaming and criticism is largely borne of ignorance.
In terms of the PPA’s efforts at the national level, it is important to note that the federal government is a massive, bloated behemoth of a bureaucracy. Lobbying the federal government is an ongoing process of drips, i.e., you drip on as many people involved in the legislative process as much as you can until you break through. Winning at this level takes time, is tedious and the war is won in small pitched battles, not in one massive conflagration.
Furthermore, the battle that the PPA is engaged in is about freedom. The PPA is fighting for liberty so as to allow us to utilize our time and resources in any way that we deem appropriate, as long as we are not harming others. There are many people in this country who, for one misguided reason or another, unfortunately stand in the way of freedom. Without groups like the PPA those who would deny our freedoms would stand largely unopposed, which is a sad but true commentary on our society at large in today’s times of massive government spending and overreaching regulations and laws that restrict economic and personal liberty.
The battle for the choice to play online poker in our own homes, on our own time and with our own money is the battle for a basic freedom, and every basic freedom counts because when they take away one they can easily attempt to take away others. As former Senator D’Amato himself has stated, "It's a cause for personal choice and freedom that I've always thought epitomizes what this country's about.” For those of you flaming the PPA, please stop to think for a moment about what you have done to help this cause and what positive impact, if any, you have had on this process.
I believe that the PPA has worked tirelessly on behalf of all of us and deserves our strong support. Thank you again to The Engineer, Skallgrim, John Pappas, Alfonse D’Amato and the other PPA Board members and staffers that have fought so hard to benefit all of us!
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not everyone that has negative things to say about the PPA thinks that they don't do a reasonable job with the resources they have. i think that they do a decent job, but i also think that they greatly overstate their influence to try and gain as much support and donations as possible. even if its with good intentions, propaganda is still propaganda and the PPA puts out a lot of propaganda.
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08-11-2012, 12:28 PM
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#129
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,904
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
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Originally Posted by SDjab420
+1
What makes them think that the US government is going to listen to anything they have to say? And even if they did listen, which is highly unlikely, why would they have the right to make decisions or suggestions about the handling of others people money in the first place?
The pretentiousness of the PPA is truly comical. They have accomplished nothing & played 0% into people getting their money back.
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The choices are let the government decide how to return money with no input or explain to people unfamiliar with online poker how refunds should work. I'm glad someone is presenting what players are thinking. Skall has said openly that the final call is with the government and the PPA is limited to giving their opinion and advice. Do you disagree with what they are advocating or do you just want no one advocating for players in this process.
This is all at no cost to you, I might add.
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08-11-2012, 12:39 PM
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#130
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 136
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
Beg for your money, people! They are only receiving 700+ million, not including all they have already seized over the years and extorted (300 million something from Party?).
Land of the free, home of the brave, etc.
Now back to the real diversion - hating on the PPA. Remember to thank the Department Of Justice for their possible consideration!
Last edited by Saturn V; 08-11-2012 at 12:49 PM.
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08-11-2012, 01:15 PM
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#131
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grinder
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 618
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
It's sad to see some ungratefulness in this thread.
Thank you, PPA, for all that you do!
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08-11-2012, 07:31 PM
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#132
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,394
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
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Originally Posted by Saturn V
Beg for your money, people! They are only receiving 700+ million, not including all they have already seized over the years and extorted (300 million something from Party?).
Land of the free, home of the brave, etc.
Now back to the real diversion - hating on the PPA. Remember to thank the Department Of Justice for their possible consideration!
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Hopefully you got it out of your system enough this time that you can put it back in your pants now.
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08-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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#133
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 486
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
If they give deposits back, you now have a bunch of weak players w/ a roll to blow when things are legalized. If they give balances back, players who were likely already winning players w/ no fish will have a roll, and the games don't soften up much from a bunch of regs (who likely already play on US sites) getting money back.
Point is, things won't change much when US players receive their money from DOJ. No new players will join bc of it, it's just a boost in the economy that already exists. The most important aspect of poker is finding new fish to breathe life into the poker economy, which this won't do. Legalization, and a little bit of positive press would go a long way
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08-12-2012, 11:38 AM
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#134
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 7,547
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
In for later... ty for all the information OP.
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08-12-2012, 04:00 PM
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#135
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Omaha Nebraska! Back home!
Posts: 842
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Re: PPA provides DoJ with recommended path to refund FTP players
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Originally Posted by Pokerzhard
If they give deposits back, you now have a bunch of weak players w/ a roll to blow when things are legalized. If they give balances back, players who were likely already winning players w/ no fish will have a roll, and the games don't soften up much from a bunch of regs (who likely already play on US sites) getting money back.
Point is, things won't change much when US players receive their money from DOJ. No new players will join bc of it, it's just a boost in the economy that already exists. The most important aspect of poker is finding new fish to breathe life into the poker economy, which this won't do. Legalization, and a little bit of positive press would go a long way
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Good point, if anything.... you might think the DOJ would want to give us our money back ASAP give our economy some life before online poker is legal and that money just goes right back into the sites.
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