Next up, Pokerstars base being run from a council estate flat.

So far his replies are in UB style, I don't understand why he destroys his reputation like this.

I'm a regular at the 2/4-5/10 NL 6max games for bout a year now, and fwiw I haven't noticed anything weird in these games, such as a player winning way above a normal win rate, while playing a losing style.

I think I'm going to keep playing on cake and give them a chance to clear their name, their support has always been good.

mrrpb's post does bother me though.

Oh and I'll ship $20 on FT to the person who provides the best/most thorough cliffnotes from the Official Cake Feedback Thread about this whole fiasco. They should post it here.

Here's the response from Lee Jones to your questions:

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I don't believe so. There's other poker sites operating out of Ireland, FTP is probably the biggest and I know merge, or at least a few skins on merge, do too. FTP don't have a crappy basement office to run out of!

Remember, it's not the whole building we're talking about. It's a 2 room flat in the basement. I'm not 100% sure where their servers are located. I got the impression that their operation in Canada is tiny though, and that they've a very small number of programmers.

Lol In one of those videos Chiren80 posted, he visited Stars' office and it looked pretty nice judging by the reception anyway.

Also, another note that people might deem relevant. The security staff and customer service staff worked on a on/off basis where one would work in their tiny office, the other would work from the comfort of home. They were given whatever software they needed (full access to the security mainframe one would assume anyway) and could work away, presumably unmonitored, at home.

I dunno if that's a common "benefit" to working for an online poker site so it might be nothing. But access to security software along with some privacy and one or two internet connections and one could possibly do a lot of damage.

I also have prob 300k-500k hands of mid stakes on cake I'm willing to contribute if a 2p2 investigation does occur.

FTP have a couple of levels in a (admittedly more pleasant) buildng south of dublin in the cherrywood estate, near the starbucks. Its no great entity itself! plus they have their pocketkings operation running out of there as well, so they would likely need a more substantial place.

I realise Im coming across as a pro-cake shill, and I dont want that, just wanted to speak from my own experience of how one leg of a corporate shell isn't evident of the entire model.

Wouldnt this thread be better in Internet Poker than NGV?

That's great but with the SN changes and stuff, what is there to investigate :/

True that, I forgot people show up as for example,

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on the cake hand histories

Well here's how it is - If Lee Jones walks now Cake is ruined. But Lee Jones reputation is worth alot to him. The way I see it, Cake have opened up the chequebook and he has been made an offer he can't refuse not to walk. Everybody has a price. I can't see why else he wouldn't be out the door at this stage, he is in an impossible situation and his reputation is going further downhill every single day.

FTP also have a much better HR/employment model too

Indeed. I alluded to this in the other thread stickied at the top a minute ago.

It's quite plausible that he's either been given said offer, or when he joined Cake he was handed a **** ton of shares in the network and is protecting his investment by trying to maintain the status quo. If he walks, bye bye cake and presumably bye bye share-value/investment-value.

When it comes to encryption SSL is the default (and highly regarded industry standard) option. You have to have reason for not picking the default option. What reason did Cake have???

yeah its pretty awesome, its a shame the support of FTP is so shyte because the rest of it is the greatest I've ever heard of by a coutry mile! Anywyas, enough of the derail.