More like a desperate attempt to keep their players. lol @ the guy who was saying that all the threads and stickies on the Cake issue had no impact on their finances....

Also...Mason is the MAN!

What's happening in this thread is just amazing.

OP - you are ███ clueless. Anyone with physical access to the servers or credentials to them CAN read holecards, REGARDLESS if SSL is used for the communication or not, and this is true for any Poker site. This thread is pointless.

yeah, i cashed out recently. not going to reload any time soon.

+1

and get out whilst you can Lee. Your one of the good guys in my eyes.

Doug Lee move over, we have a contender.

Still hasn't been resolved by now... very interesting

nice wannabe corporate response from some company located in a potato cellar.

You are missing the point. Reading holecards is normally only possible if someone is able to change the source-code of the server. A programmer could change the source code to include malware that does this, but this malware would be visible to all other programmers and QA, and it leave a trace in the version management software pointing at who exactly put it there. There's normally pretty much no way to read holecards without alerting others and leaving a big red arrow pointing your way.

With no encryption, one of their techs could read everything without changing anything in the server software, even without changing anything on the physical server. They could do this without leaving a trace, without notifying anyone else.

Also, that's only part of the reason this thread is here: the others are Lee's complete stonewalling of any questions related to: the encryption issue, our trust in Cake's competence and when, how and why the fake encryption was used in the first place.

This is where you are missing the point, sir. You can read holecards simply by placing an executable on the server that reads the Poker software memory, without modifying the source code or taking down the server.

But you leave evidence by placing the executable, whereas just leaving a security hole open can be explained away as "Oops, my bad".

It's like the difference between stealing from a bank by just grabbing hundreds from the vault vs. "accidentally" putting hundreds in an ATM.

Why should ANY OF US ever feel safe playing online poker on ANY site?

Cake was pure crap, haven't played there in months except to use up my stupid gold chips and gold cards.

But these stories end up tainting "online poker" in a collective sense... IT IS FAR TOO EASY FOR SITES TO CHEAT AND SKIM MONIES. IMO, of course.

Thank God I have live casinos near me. Others are not so lucky obv.

Actually, no, you can't. Protected memory, which is a staple of every modern OS for the past decade or so, prevents that.

Even if you could "peek" into an other process's address space, data like this is so temporal that it'd be constantly overwritten in RAM.

THANK YOU

even if you did manage to read memory undetected you'd still need to send that info over the internet to your home in order for you to use it and own someone at the tables and those packets could be detected.

I'm not really sure what all the nitpicking about all the tech info has to do with any of this.

Fact: Customers are making claims about the whole "superuser" issue on Cake's network.

Fact: Lee Jones has yet to address any of these allegations directly to us, instead choosing to PM Mason.

Let's focus on the facts and the actual reason this thread was created and less on all the technical aspects of it. Arguing and trying to one up each other in this thread only lessons from the main focus of the thread itself. let's stay together on this and actually try to accomplish what we are after here. Eyes on the prize fellas (or ladies).