This is a valid question that needs to be answered imo.

Yeah, it was an attempt at hyperbole. Obviously stealing money and murdering people are two different things, I thought that would be obvious to most people, guess not. So I'll go on the record and state that I don't actually think that murdering people and stealing money are the same thing.

My point is that apologizing for doing something wrong does not undo the wrong that has been done. A more accurate analogy would be if a car thief who has stolen hundreds of cars gets caught, he then apologizes for stealing the cars, and then gives back ten of them saying that he's sorry that he stole five cars. That doesn't make it ok and it's not a commendable or respectable thing to do.

Which leads to my next point. I find it hard to believe that he only stole 30k. It seems very likely that he actually stole a lot more than that, which would also explain why someone that's making a ton of money from poker would take the risk of scamming people. It's already been proven that parts of his apology are bull ****, so isn't it likely that all of it is bull ****. He's only apologizing for stealing the money because he got caught stealing it. He's not going to apologize for stealing all the other money that he stole.

I think this is true. I've never played above 25/50 but if I had some graphs to show I had been crushing there and higher, I think I might be able to pull off something similar to this. Maybe not to the extent girahh did, but I wouldn't be surprised if I could convince a bunch of 25/50 regs I had similar skills if we just talked about poker and never actually played.

Seems that you and Rangey have some evidence regarding others implicated in this, why not release it?

+1

I have a handful of internet friends that I'd vouch for IRL as being good and decent human beings, that I'd visit if I could afford it, etc. I've also known them for a few years from way back when. But could one of them actually be a child rapist? Could a girl actually be a guy? Of course. And if I told one of my IRL friends to go out and visit one of my internet friends if they were in the area and my IRL friend got raped or robbed, I'd def feel bad and take responsibility in so far as I should, but I don't deserve to go to jail over it. And I feel like my relationships and reputation would give me the benefit of the doubt to know I wasn't 'in on the plan'. Which is why DiH should get that same benefit here unless people know something else. Not saying he's above scrutiny, but condemning him prematurely is sort of retarded.

Haseeb is being tied greatly to this because of the logging into accounts, writing blog posts, etc. so its safe to say he's definitely involved, how deep the rabbit hole goes is anyones guess.

but what do we know about JM? I mean for what I see in this thread, he could be put into the same boat as Sauce123, as in they only knew Jose through his own hype and not the ACTUAL player himself. Why is he under heavy suspicion too, what did he do?

Sorry i'm not trying to defend JM but i'm curious as to if he had any real suspicious leaks in his story.. like is there evidence of him playing in Girahs acct, etc.

lol sorry dude, should have realised that. lot of crazy statements on NVG that I can't always discern rhetoric from genuine belief as well I'd like

It's also p clear that sauce has nothing to do w/ this beyond talking to the guy once in a while and believing his story in as much as you'd believe someone your peers vouch for on the internets.

imo the only fishy thing is if Girah was busto or only up 30k + or - whatever, his attempts at durrr challenge or playing isil heads up is def questionable

Wow, this is absurd. I don't even know what to say, are you still a lock pro? If so, you should probably tender your resignation.

Ughh this is so sad to see HSplayers let everything get to their head, make so much money playing yet still exploit others for capital gain.

I was really excited to hear all the hype about you in the past months and when you signed with Lock, now I wish you never joined the poker community.

imfromsweden right? LOL

http://www.psp.pt/Pages/defaultPSP.aspx

contacto@psp.pt

imo

Between these scams and part time poker .com in the last year.... Its just not getting easier to be confident that most poker players won't do anything for their bottom line.

Why was it that Cates (jungle) was denied from entering Canada ??? hmmm

And is dog going to defend himself/give explanation about the claim he logged on and played on Jose' account.

The crux of your argument rests on Jose actually making the 2mm or w/e he allegedly made.

I'm not keen on posting what I've found in my stat comparison analyis as I don't want to make any direct accusations against anybody without being 100% sure. I've shot myself in the foot before by comparing stats and then finding out that an account that was claimed to be Jose's is in fact someone completely unconnected and innocent and I don't want to do that again! I was hoping that Jose would at some point reveal some of his other past account names so I could be clearer but that's probably not going to happen - bit late to try to save his reputation now lol...

One thing I was absolutely sure about was that a) Jose incorporated the results of oovoo99 in his HEM screenshot and b) there is no way that Jose and oovoo99 are the same player - so I posted about this briefly a while back. However this is no longer especially scandalous since I think nobody believes any more that Jose is the true player behind the winrates in that HEM screenshot.

In this context yes, but many other contexts can be summoned to illustrate her argument.

Think of Wall Street, for one. I mean...