YES.

These guys are absolutely cheaters and should not be viewed any diffrently. Players should definitely be warned that they are not going to be playing against MossBoss (“jajay1963”), ImFromSweden, TooCuriousso1 during HU confrontations, but against a mix of HS players.

If you wanna discuss the ethics of ghosting, open another thread imo. That is an issue that has been discussed ad nauseim, and is not only (openly) practised by these guys but a very large % of online grinders and probably >50% of coaches.

Land of the free, if you really believe that they should not be viewed any differently then you are beyond help. Are you even aware of if there is a one player to a hand rule? If there isn't, do you still think they should be looked at no differently?

Whatever though, open a new thread.

Forever gone, started as a scam - Ended as one.

Guess you should list everyone who has ever had coaching/been in a study group as well

Please learn how to read. I didn't say "any differently from Jose", I said "any differently from cheaters"

And no, I disagree. I think this is a fine thread to discuss it. A lot of people are viewing this thread now and I think it's perfectly fine and actually important to point out that OP, ImFromSweden and TooCurioso1 cheat in online games.

These guys need to be outed for what they are, I'm not sure why you'd want to prevent that.

jailtime imo

Shameful, Jose.

+1


wtf

LOL. You conveniently forgot to tell me whether it's actually cheating or not, since if pokerstars/full tilt/ipoker don't have a one-player-to-a-hand-rule then it isn't cheating just as shortstacking isn't cheating. Come back when you have an answer otherwise things you say, like this:

are worthless since they may very well be operating within the rules and not cheating.

This is NOT a fine thread to discuss it as THERE ARE MANY MANY OTHER THREADS. Nothing new is going to be said, and there are issues that need to be solved here without having a ghosting discussion over-run it. We need answers from jungleman, haseeb. We need a 2p2 detective to figure out what is true/false with the rest of the story. We don't need an ethics discussion on ghosting. It's been done before.

Surely though a player can just record his session and send it to a coach afterwards? It certainly does not have to be live when real money is won and lost. The OP happily admits to something along the lines "Jirah: 'Hey, there is a fish online right now. Sit at his table and let's get him.' OP: 'Cool' "

A study group does not have to involve ghosting either (and most don't).

in b4 team poker.

perhaps it is silent ghosting with discussion only occuring after the session has finished. In which case i dont see much wrong with it. If multiple people were commenting during the hand then this is unethical....

regrdless there should be a new thread for that topic as it is a sub story of the headline news ITT and discussing both is just painfull to read.

I've been involved in a couple of groups, both have involved sweat sessions. And I only know a couple of people who have had coaching, but both have done it through sweating as its far easier to do it this way, I presume nearly all coaches do it this way.

As long as the person ghosting isn't telling the person how to play a hand, and just giving advice after a hand has played out, I see no problem

At least he didn't buy a few hand histories

what an incredible lowlife scumbag/scambag. leave poker asap