Nah I imagine they don't really, the tables insta filled anyway. Even before scripts people would have tables where people are playing HU open, ready to join if a fish sits. I bet there is a super small change in how long the tables take to fill with or without scripts.

Tables on Stars insta fill due to the 'R.'

If recs were complaining in any significant capacity, Stars woulda taken action long time ago. The much bigger issues are a) long time players take to act (esp preflop) and b) players sitting out/in when fish sit out/in. I've seen fish complain about those far more often than scripts (I've only seen 1 rec complain in chat in the past 2 years.)

both need to be stopped. guy's who sit out while fish sits out and scripts. as much as i hate the sitting out bs the scripts are worse .

As long as table camping is allowed in the lobby I can't see how it is possible for scripts to be dealt with. The only solution I can think of is to create a lobby similar to an IRL casino (which the recs shouldn't have a big problem with), where new players to a stake are forced to sit down on a running table. Only players already at a running table should have the right to request a new one and only if two or more of them truly want to play (no camping). I can very well imagine 5 player tables permanently running at every stake with this system. Unfortunately it may not be the most rewarding idea for the site in the short run...

Am I understanding the OP correctly, in that he's saying that the scripts reserve a seat every time a third player sits down, but then the owner of the script doesn't sit down unless the third player is a fish, so the tables are just full of the R (reserved) symbol?

It should be very easy for Stars to detect and prevent people from repeatedly reserving seats they have no intention of taking.
Three words: Ban the ****ers.

solution is to script the **** out of ps, block every available seat and not let anyone play for a few hours?

This idea is awesome lol

this is called "judgment day" on battlenet and is one of the better ideas in this regard.

Tis is flat out wrong.

Table camping is far worse bc here teh thinking fun player really gets aware of that he is targeted while he is absolutely used to r's and a table instafilling up every time.

I agree though that for u personally and for other nonscripters, slow scripters, tablestarters etc scripts are waaay worse.


But if we going for teh usual "its sooo bad for poker" then its quite obv that camping is on a different level here

Sometimes to get better solutions, you need bigger problems...

Totally agree.

- Table starters should be treated better (rewarded) than bumhunters/scripters.

I like the way Full Tilt rewards with double Full Tilt points while the game is HU on 6-max tables. This rewarding system should be implemented as well on PokerStars. Many more tables will start/run with such system on PokerStars, especially in low-mid stakes.

Also agree with Jason's posts.

*** Scripts must be prohibited as soon as possible. They are bad for PokerStars no less than they are bad for the regulars who are actually willing to start tables/play vs. other regulars.

I don't use a script but I'm guessing this is the type of thing that happens.

What drives me nuts is I want to sit at a full ring table and I don't care a bit about seat selection in the least. I want to load up my 18 tables as soon as possible. What happens every day is I see a table with 8 players and 1 empty seat. I click on the table in the lobby to open it and in that second the open seat is reserved with a (R). Now I can't sit at the table and I can't even join the waitlist as this option is not offered while some scripter is deciding whether he actually wants the seat or not (seat says reserved). After 20 seconds if he sits down I can then join the waitlist and by then there are 4 other scripters who've gotten in line first.

cliffs- Go to table with an open seat and end up 5 on the waitlist. It's problem.

The scripter would be oreddi sitting in the case u described. Cant be common prob wit 1 seat left

If I see a table in the lobby with 8 seats taken it happens at least 30% of the time. Never had a session where this doesn't occur. At the very least Stars should let me join the waitlist.

What happened to just playing poker? Seat scrips,HUD's the whole thing is just cheating..

How is gathering information that is equally available to everyone using software that is also equally available to everyone and using that information to your advantage cheating? Just because a computer furthers your ability to gather and use information far beyond what you can do in a live game doesn't make it cheating.

It is equally available to everyone but it should also be promoted as such. It is hidden to rec players. If you want to say it isn't some form of cheating then the sites would need to let the recs know that they might be at a disadvantage because of HUDs and other external software. At least for first time depositors.

I say this as a guy who made tens of thousands pre BF with a HUD but I'm not going to sugarcoat what is actually an issue.

How is this any different from advanced software platforms for trading and investing financial instruments?

Also, yeah, sites should tell recs that they're at a disadvantage- now that is a fantastic way to increase net depositors.

No type of mainstream poker software is hidden from anybody. Because a certain player is ignorant/unaware of the technology/aides available to them isn't an excuse for calling the winner a cheater when they lose. No poker site is advertising "poker exactly as you would find it in a B&M casino or at home". It is poker that is played remotely on computers, and players are responsible for realizing the differences between the two types. The real issue is people feeling entitled to play an analog game in an increasingly digital/technological world when there is absolutely no reason to feel such a way.

this is a great post

2 players can pay the exact same amount of rake and have drastically different values to a poker site.

the example of headsup bum hunters is perfect. i'm surprised these sites even have heads up any more and would be better off just kicking the hu bum hunters off the site entirely.

It's not hidden at all. Most recs are well aware of the existence of huds. Many will also use them. When I started playing poker it took me a few days to learn about huds.

At some point most recs will start at least a little google research about online poker and then it's nearly impossible to not know.

I know nothing about trading so i cant comment on that.

Sometimes it hurts to be honest.

You can make a statement like that because you know most recs?

Actually, a couple years ago I would have said they are totally in the dark. But now days they're a lot more aware.

I've spoken to recs who've said they know about it and that the game seems very mathematical these days. Which surprised me. Also I was sitting at a PLO table not long ago which was unusually chatty, one of they guys actually said he was using a HUD and mentioned something about one of the other players stats, to my annoyance.