Not in my client, maybe I missed an update or something.

Edit: it was indeed a missing update, i have them now.

I just played one for a dollar, 4handed, won one dollar and fifthy cents...

Just crazy...

Look what I've just bubbled (the unlucky winner got 3.67 times less than the runner-up).



(I respect my opponents' privacy.)

So the instances when two of the possible 1st place prizes are smaller than the 2nd one aren't an oversight, they're set up deliberately to make people feel less bad about not winning. Note that the middle option of the 1st place prize was flamboyantly less by half a dollar than the 2nd place one.

Also, the hand limit was still 22 hands. So, at least for low and medium prize pools, the hand limit depends on the number of players and is independent of the prize pool size. Actually, the more entrants, the fewer hands are played before the all-ins, apparently because hands last longer at a full-ring table and Stars wants to keep the duration in terms of minutes around the same.

unlucky winner lol

At least they guarantee the highset payout for the 1-in-1-million prize. That would be an amazing face-punt, to "win" the jackpot, only to get less than 2nd by factors of 10.

But for the 2nd/3rd best prizes, lol on the 1-in-3 sweat when you win.

I made the decision to always choose the far right one of the three prizes so I do not regret for choosing other

It was good for some time

Now I got the lowest possible on 10 choices in a row

I think Stars identified that I am always choosing the far right one and adjusted

lol at anyone who hasn't already cashed out of Stars

ugh, nothing short of a greedy disgrace. Poker is on it's way out, was good while it lasted.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Clearly a GTO strategy is required in choosing a prize.

this ainec



I guess this is why they can't change their name quite yet.

like one year before i was thinking about a same kind of idea for MTTS, called Bonus MTTs

> its about Multitable Tourneys with a Random added prizepool

Lets say you have these *$2,28+ 22cent 180 man tournaments *running, this
games runs on average every *10-15minutes,*
The total prizepool of this tournament is* $410,40 *

> the payout structure is as following:
> *1. 30%*
> *2. 20%*
> *3. 11.4%*
> *4 7,4%*
> *5. 5.8%*
> *6 4,3%*
> *7 3%*
> *8 2,2%*
> *9 1,5 %*
> *10 0,95%*
> *11 0,95%*
> *12 0,95%*
> *13 0,95%*
> *14 0,95%*
> *15 0,95%*
> *16 0,95%*
> *17 0,95% *
> *18 0,95%*
> *19 0,65%*
> *21 0,65%*
> *22 0,65%*
> *23 0,65%*
> *24 0,65%*
> *25 0,65%*
> *26 0,65%*
> *27 0,65% *

now lets create a different payout structure to change the outcome a bit,
but will still be playable and profitable enough with a decent payout.
lets say you all make place
#1: 21%
#2: 19%
#3 10,4%
#10 t/m #27: 0,65%,
you will save 9% +1% +1% + 1,75% = 12,75% = *52,3 $ every tournament.*
this money added to a random prizepool with changes of being hit,
I know you will think now like this is similar to spin and gos, but instead
of spin and goes are jackpot games with very low changes to hit something
big, this Bonus MTT's are more likely to hit as there will be lower
multipliers but extra bonus added such as a* knock out bounty* for every
player in the tournament,
the general thought is to make only 4 kinds of outcome of the generator
like
1. *normal payout $358,1*
2. Double prizemoney *$ 820,8 + $0,75* knockout bountie every player
(+135$) * total: $955,8 * 3. Triple Prize money *$ 1231,2 + $1,5*
knockout bountie every player (+270$) * total: $1501,2*
4. Quad Prize money *$ 1641,6 + $3 * knockout bountie every player
(+540$) *total: $2181,6*

grand total would be: *$4638,6*
this is the amount you will need to have to enable the multiplier trigger,
because you save 52,3$ each game due the changed payout structure you will
have this grand total of* 4638,6$ *in a *88,6 *tournaments.
the payouts of the multipliers will be the original payout structure as
above.

this will mean the Double prizemoney multiplier will hit every *18,27*
tournaments
and the Triple prizemoney multilier will hit every *18,27* + *28,7
tournaments = 46,97 *tournaments
and the Quad prizemoney multiplier will hit every *46,97 + 41,7 tournaments
= 88,67 *tournaments
because this will probably attract players and and the games already
running every 15 minutes you will have all 3 multipliers every 22 hour
counted that they are running every 15 minutes
i was just thinking about this concept for 2 days because it reminded me of
the golden sit and go's pokerstars once did with milestone hands,
I think it can be adapted and tweaked even better to make this a new poker
concept for multi table sit and go's (45man 90man 180man or maybe 360 man)
(different stakes) and maybe i made some mistakes i am not aware of,
Even when the avarage game is still a 358,1$ prizepool
and still will be profitable to play and the multiplier games really wanted
to be played by everybody since the buyin compared to the payout is very
profitable, and there will be alot of action due the added knockouts.
i hope you will send this ideation team too, and i would hope to get a
response about wherether you or someone likes it or not or you have any
comments about the concept.
what do you guys think of this.

Why would they make it so the 2nd place player can win more than 1st place? Seems like such a "feelsbadman" experience to give to your players, especially your recreational players who just play for fun.

lets say you learn how to format text and use paragraphs, capital letters, complete sentences and such. then what?

It is a feelsbadman experience.
I'm not a recreational poker player but I'm definitely not a spin expert by any means and would play a few spins (probably break evenish?? maybe) to gamble it up once in a while. I don't think I've ever been so annoyed with poker than when I finished first and won less than second even at the smallest buy in.

It's amazing that anyone would ever think that's a good idea. The only way this is a good idea is that it is rigged so that it doesn't happen to losing players.

You go from a high of winning to having the rug pulled out from under you real fast. Feelsbadman

I tried one.

4 players. 1 dollar each. I binked for 1.50. Head scratching payouts.

This is way worse than BLAST on 888. I really can't believe "Beat The Clock" still exists. Here is an idea for your next upcoming game "Hyper Spin and Go Max"
- 4 Max
- Everyone gets dealt 4 cards and gets to discard two
- All in first hand
- Winner gets to spin the winner's wheel which consists of 0.0001% jackpot and the rest is winning a chest.

Changes coming?

At this moment, on page https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/spin...o-max/payouts/ following the links "head back to the main page" or "Back to Tournaments Main Page" gets:

"Missing Page
We're sorry, but you have reached a page that does not exist. This could be the result of a change in the web address or an incorrect URL.
Please let us know about the problem. E-mail support@pokerstars.uk and give us the URL and/or the page from which you linked to get here."

That link works for me right now (and i'm not seeing anything different). Fwiw they've been having issues with bad links on the UK site since these pages went live.

lol that must be SUPER FUN for recs

Strange. The links still give the Missing Page notice for me.

Support replied with:

"Thank you for your email.
We would like to inform you that we are aware of the issue and that we are working on fixing this as soon as possible.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you in advance for your patient and understanding.
Please let us know, if there is anything else we can help you with.
Regards,
Martyna
Stars Support"

(No big deal, though.)

Oh gosh - those links are great Hood ... wish had tried clicking on them sooner

Here's the stuff for the $1 games ...

Guess the only thing they don't post are the 3 possible prizes that the winner will get to choose from?

I have one idea that I think its better

Im going to explain it:

Lets say you have these *$2,28+ 22cent 180 man tournaments *running, this
games runs on average every *10-15minutes,*
The total prizepool of this tournament is* $410,40 *

> the payout structure is as following:
> *1. 30%*
> *2. 20%*
> *3. 11.4%*
> *4 7,4%*
> *5. 5.8%*
> *6 4,3%*
> *7 3%*
> *8 2,2%*
> *9 1,5 %*
> *10 0,95%*
> *11 0,95%*
> *12 0,95%*
> *13 0,95%*
> *14 0,95%*
> *15 0,95%*
> *16 0,95%*
> *17 0,95% *
> *18 0,95%*
> *19 0,65%*
> *21 0,65%*
> *22 0,65%*
> *23 0,65%*
> *24 0,65%*
> *25 0,65%*
> *26 0,65%*
> *27 0,65% *

now lets create a different payout structure to change the outcome a bit,
but will still be playable and profitable enough with a decent payout.
lets say you all make place
#1: 21%
#2: 19%
#3 10,4%
#10 t/m #27: 0,65%,
you will save 9% +1% +1% + 1,75% = 12,75% = *52,3 $ every tournament.*
this money added to a random prizepool with changes of being hit,
I know you will think now like this is similar to spin and gos, but instead
of spin and goes are jackpot games with very low changes to hit something
big, this Bonus MTT's are more likely to hit as there will be lower
multipliers but extra bonus added such as a* knock out bounty* for every
player in the tournament,
the general thought is to make only 4 kinds of outcome of the generator
like
1. *normal payout $358,1*
2. Double prizemoney *$ 820,8 + $0,75* knockout bountie every player
(+135$) * total: $955,8 * 3. Triple Prize money *$ 1231,2 + $1,5*
knockout bountie every player (+270$) * total: $1501,2*
4. Quad Prize money *$ 1641,6 + $3 * knockout bountie every player
(+540$) *total: $2181,6*

grand total would be: *$4638,6*
this is the amount you will need to have to enable the multiplier trigger,
because you save 52,3$ each game due the changed payout structure you will
have this grand total of* 4638,6$ *in a *88,6 *tournaments.
the payouts of the multipliers will be the original payout structure as
above.

this will mean the Double prizemoney multiplier will hit every *18,27*
tournaments
and the Triple prizemoney multilier will hit every *18,27* + *28,7
tournaments = 46,97 *tournaments
and the Quad prizemoney multiplier will hit every *46,97 + 41,7 tournaments
= 88,67 *tournaments
because this will probably attract players and and the games already
running every 15 minutes you will have all 3 multipliers every 22 hour
counted that they are running every 15 minutes
i was just thinking about this concept for 2 days because it reminded me of
the golden sit and go's pokerstars once did with milestone hands,
I think it can be adapted and tweaked even better to make this a new poker
concept for multi table sit and go's (45man 90man 180man or maybe 360 man)
(different stakes) and maybe i made some mistakes i am not aware of,
Even when the avarage game is still a 358,1$ prizepool
and still will be profitable to play and the multiplier games really wanted
to be played by everybody since the buyin compared to the payout is very
profitable, and there will be alot of action due the added knockouts.
i hope you will send this ideation team too, and i would hope to get a
response about wherether you or someone likes it or not or you have any
comments about the concept.
what do you guys think of this.

https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/spin...o-max/payouts/

Looking at the $1 4-handed game, here are some numbers to ponder:

The average payout for winning is not more than $2.00 in 35.2667% of your games.

The average payout for winning is not more than $3.00 in 68.4389% of your games.

The average payout for winning is not more than $4.00 in 90.4389% of your games.

The average payout for winning is not more than $7.00 in 98.9389% of your games.

The average payout for winning is $12.00 or more in 1.0611% of your games.

You are offered the option of cashing out in 0.311% of your games, where your average payout for winning has reached the dizzying heights of $20.00 or more. (It does not appear to be stated anywhere by how much cashouts will increase the calculable rake paid.)

If you play 1200 games against similarly skilled players you might expect to win back about $1125 for your $1200 total buy-ins. (If my figures are correct, the rake is about 6.25%. This might imply that the cashout offers are reduced to increase the total rake by about 2.75%)

You would have to be "pick one specific card out of 200 decks"-lucky to be included in an $85 payout game; "pick one specific card out of 2000 decks"-lucky to be in a $215 payout game; and "pick one specific card out of 20,000 decks"-lucky to be in a $4600 jackpot payout game.

E&OE

...and why are they even bothering with the "cash out" option if it's only available for a small fraction of the possible prize pools?

If the 1st place player isn't guaranteed the highest prize then they should at least make sure that 1st and 2nd win the same and then have the 1st place person "freeroll" for a higher prize.

How many of the recreational players that they are trying to court so badly are going to play one of these, win 1st place, win LESS than the 2nd place person and then get disgusted and never play again? A pretty high % IMO.

This new format seems significantly worse than standard spins, and now these are going to be directly competing for players. Any micro stake spin player in the $1 to $7 buyin range notice a decrease in fish in the standard spins?

the let me know your opinion about the idea , sorry for being lazy for english paragraphs capital letters etc.