I think you can squeak out a profit on these in the long run. At least in the $1 as the play so far has been very soft. I have a 137% roi over 8 games. I know huge sample size. But seriously, the games are bad enough that good players still have an edge even with the dumb all ins at the end.

What will be interesting to see is if they add higher buy ins. If they do, 100s/60s regs will suffer a lot as fish will be driven away

Stars have been building a lot of features in to the client lately that rely on personalisation for the end user. For example, my probability of winning $10k on those cardhunt promos is different to a fish or a higher stakes reg or even a crusher/slight loser at the same stake level. Chests obviously are the latest example of this.

With that level of functionality and background programming, how do we know that the relative probabilities for the end 3 prizes are the same for all players? To be honest, at this stage, this isn't something I would put past Stars.

[I realise you might assume from the animation that the 3 prizes are in a predetermined fixed order, but there is every chance that regardless of which one you click it is based on probabilistic determination rather than fixed predetermination]

$105 worth of buy ins, $45 in the prize pool with a game with this much variance WTF? lol

I would also like to know this. It's quite possible that higher prize pools results in more hands (like in Blast), but would be good to have this confirmed. Anyone play in a 10x+ game?

edit: Just entered a $1 game, got 8-handed table with prizes of $1.50, $4, $8... 18 hand counter :-0 And yes, 2nd place prize is GTD $2, so could win more than winner.

edit2: Something like that http://i.imgur.com/5juwX8m.png

Seriously, what will it take for you to hit that cashout button?

That sucked. 0/4, wasn't much fun either. Quitting, looks like I'll be a lifetime loser at that game.

You do not sound like a smart person. Being nitty and limp doesn't sound right. But yeah guess this is tailored for players like you then.

Getting HU vs fish is where so much of regs edge came in these games. Especially the later stages, where giving up even 3 bb/100 was a huge $equity leak given % of chips in play youre dealing with. Of course this change will help 2nd tier regs who dont have to get owned by top tier regs HU. And help regs save time avoiding deep anteless games vs other regs. But that wont make up for loss of HU play vs fish.

Such a targeted strike vs the profitability of these games. I dont know if this was done purposefully as a direct attack vs regs or they just wanted to shorten it and it turned out that way. They could have made hyper timed after 3rd level and had similar end time. Kept at least some play in it. But keeping fish from making bad plays late when the amount of equity youre dealing with is high is great for their goals. I dont know how sinister it all was. I think controlling game length, esp for mobile users, is extremely important. Giving them a little bit of play and then winding it down in a gambly way prob what the main goal was.

Havent played many spins but lots of SNGs on Stars. I check winrates for diff blind levels and you would be amazed when kind of evbb/100 winrates you can get dealing with 4 to 9 eff bb stacks. Even moreso now that people are perfecting preflop limping strats. Youve heard from a couple recs itt how they hate getting ground down HU by regs and welcome the change. You have people either running solvers or with trees mapped out in notes by their backer. Vs fish prob l/fing down to 5bbs. These games would seem to have extremely low attainable winrates.

If they push old spins out in favor of these it will be a major attack one of the few remaining professionally grindable formats on stars. Since that's the directon they seem to be going recently, expect it to happen soon.

Edit: I guess they dont even need to get rid of old format. Once enough fish move over it will die its own death.

That's a scary thought.

I would totally be up for this. I find myself often watching the whole ad on YouTube if it's well done and for something I'm interested in.

The Max format is clearly designed to almost prevent HU from happening, and this has been done exactly because most recs are afraid of playing HU. The elimination of this fear will result in recs parting with their money easier

Keep silence, grind Spin Max, take their money with a smile.

Yes, this game will fall victim to solvers pretty soon when almost every reg becomes close to perfect and too many of them enter the game. Power Up will be alive for longer. So if you're looking for a longterm profit opportunity, you'll be better off learning Power Up than Spin Max. If you only need shortterm profit, you don't have to wait until Power Up comes out.

Pokerstars press release stated : "Spin & Go Max games will have a fixed number of hands based upon the size of the prize and the number of players. "

Thanks to the one editing the title, whoever it was

Look I see what you're saying, but 9% over 20 hands of 3-8handed is too much. Unless your table is literally 7 completely clueless guys every time you won't make a profit here. There won't be solvers because the only money to be made is for pokerstars.

He will find out soon enough anyway

Right, but it doesn't say explicitly that the number of hands increases with the size of the prize, that's what I'd be interested in knowing.

I'd love there to never be any Spin & Go Max related improvements in the existing calculators (and special new calculators to never appear), but I'm afraid that improvements will be made sooner or later, like with any elder mainstream poker formats such as PKOs.

That's the good thing about hyper SNGs - it doesn't take me a lot of grind hours to get to know accurately where I'm standing relatively to the field. If the game turns out unbeatable, I won't lose much because I'll quit fast. If it turns out beatable, the money printer will start working for more hours a day and at more tables.

GL with that, as stated in the OP I'd be more than happy to see a beatable game type being introduced.

Someone posted this on reddit. Thought it was worthy of a share.

This guy won the Spin N Go Max but ended up getting less than 2nd place $

A buddy of mine played a 4-player $1 game and it was scheduled to have a luxurious 22 hands before the 'forced all in' segment began. Structure: https://i.gyazo.com/960b86e3f2773afa...ff3ec286da.png
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's just surreal.
[ ] Skill game

Has dnegs given this the "good for poker" seal of approval?

what a rip off.

To beat 7 guys in a 1$ and get $1,50

This game should die

Why the hell would they create a format so similar to the existing spins? I can't imagine spin players are happy as this new format will compete for players.

haha ofc the lowest price goes in the middle