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PokerStars increasing rake, ending BoP promo, .... who will become the new #1 site? PokerStars increasing rake, ending BoP promo, .... who will become the new #1 site?

10-30-2014 , 09:03 AM
I don't think much will change. Not sure about rake comparison, but Pokerstars still has best software, best choice of poker variants, best customer support, fast widthrawals...

I tried other other sites several times (mostly IPoker and Party) and got disapointed every time.
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10-30-2014 , 09:17 AM
I think the poker cast should consider its pokerstars sponsorship!this ain't acceptable!!! We thought it was just changes to the vip system now this ****!explain this one Steve d
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10-30-2014 , 09:22 AM
At least they gave us the standard 30 days of warning we've come to expect when there were major changes to the rake structure.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve
Rake Changes Effective November 3, 2014
Wait... what?

I need to study the numbers more closely, but I think the new figures mean I'll have a better ROI if I start bashing rusty nails through my scrotum.

Go home Amaya, you're drunk.
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10-30-2014 , 09:31 AM
I don't play 6max hypers or SNG's, but doesn't this effectively make some of them virtually unbeatable ?
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10-30-2014 , 09:33 AM
Someone at Amaya def has a sense of humor

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10-30-2014 , 09:40 AM
lol wtf...
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10-30-2014 , 09:45 AM
One word only, OUTRAGEOUS!
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10-30-2014 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sinepar
Someone at Amaya def has a sense of humor

lmao! I'm dying ahahaha
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10-30-2014 , 09:48 AM
The rake is still lower then elsewhere, so stop b!tching...
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10-30-2014 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
Doesn't affect mtt guys right now. Something tells me that they are not done yet.
What are you talking about this is massive for MTT's. Did you read it.

"Tournament fees for all forms of knockout tournaments, including both scheduled and Sit & Go tournaments, will now be equivalent to tournament fees charged for similar non-knockout tournaments. This is a change for all forms of knockout tournaments except for progressive super knockout tournaments for which tournament fees will not change.

Hyper-turbo scheduled tournament fees will increase from 2% to approximately half of the fees charged for other scheduled tournaments at same or similar buy-in levels.

New tournament fees will apply in rebuy tournaments for players whose play is subject to significant local taxes in the form of gaming duty and/or VAT. For such players, tournament fees equivalent to those charged for initial buy-ins will be charged for rebuys and add-ons. We will soon provide a full list of sites/countries affected on January 1, but as examples, PokerStars.be, PokerStars.dk, PokerStars.uk, and PokerStars.bg will qualify due to gaming duty and players from Germany will qualify due to VAT."
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10-30-2014 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
At least they gave us the standard 30 days of warning we've come to expect when there were major changes to the rake structure.



Wait... what?

I need to study the numbers more closely, but I think the new figures mean I'll have a better ROI if I start bashing rusty nails through my scrotum.

Go home Amaya, you're drunk.
6k posts, here 3 years and you're still that bad of a player, huh?
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10-30-2014 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
Doesn't affect mtt guys right now. Something tells me that they are not done yet.
Rebuy-MTT's will take rake for each rebuy and add-on, in most/many countries, but aside of that, what they gon' do? On PS.fr, the rake is 9+1€ for MTT's, and they also have same rake on rebuys, but anything above that in rake won't be practical for them, since competetors are all at 10% rake.

I am no amused about the way Amaya is going, but I'm also not concerned.



@The SnG-regs:

When PS introduced hypers, you had the choice to play them or not to.
More variance and way less/lower possible edges in hyper-SnG's has exactly been the same direction as Spin and Goes are now heading to. (Not to mention how plain boring and repetitive I imagine these games to be, when one grinds them seriously)
Though, you guys decided to join the hype(rs) and give up most of your edge for volume's and rakeback's sake, instead of switching to an other format like MTT's or cash, or even an other variant than NLHE.
I mean, you made yourself very vulnerable by focusing on hypers in the first place, and statements like "all the fish went to play them" don't count, since you'd be playing MTT's, if that'd be the most important thing.
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10-30-2014 , 10:10 AM
well...if you keep the same volume next year, you get more rake back hahahah
Pretty sure it is just the start, the best has yet to come...
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10-30-2014 , 10:11 AM
I think Ongame will become the new #1 site.
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10-30-2014 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Karcsi
The rake is still lower then elsewhere, so stop b!tching...
well, no. On ipoker you can get 70% rb flat deal. At pokerstars if you're gold or platinum you get how much back, 15%?
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10-30-2014 , 10:19 AM
Ongame,... owned by Amaya, iirc...
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10-30-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by abrblja
well, no. On ipoker you can get 70% rb flat deal. At pokerstars if you're gold or platinum you get how much back, 15%?
Same thing was before they increased rake. So whats your point?? - plus bigger rake means bigger rakeback..
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10-30-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
it definitely affects the liquidity and profitability of mtt games. A lot of sng regs will focus more on mtts and theyre usually pretty good
lol how bad are mtt players?
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10-30-2014 , 10:26 AM
so 6 max low/mid stakes games are unaffected and HU is basically unplayable?.

Great so all the HU regs will move to playing 6 max as they can no longer can sustain a reasonable win rate.
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10-30-2014 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
Ongame,... owned by Amaya, iirc...
if that's true they've done a good job of running that one down already, yay positive signs........
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10-30-2014 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by $100
lol how bad are mtt players?
Even some of the best regs at low-/mid-stakes are likely not capable of tieing their shoelaces themselves.
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10-30-2014 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by abrblja
well, no. On ipoker you can get 70% rb flat deal. At pokerstars if you're gold or platinum you get how much back, 15%?
Works out to be a better deal @ Stars FYP.
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10-30-2014 , 10:43 AM
https://twitter.com/PokerStars

200k followers. Seems like a good place to voice your displeasure.
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10-30-2014 , 10:50 AM
Regarding MTT's:
I forgot about guarantees being lowered. Just realized it again on PS.fr. Now I am personally concerned, too... At least it lowers not just ROI, but also the variance.
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10-30-2014 , 10:52 AM
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who will become the new #1 site?
None of the currently existing ones, that's for sure.

Players will keep bending over for AmayaStars and competitors will stay either ******ed or chanceless.

They had more than enough time to get better and they won't become it now or in the future.

Either Amaya realized this or they're just as dumb as the competition itself, only being 'lucky' to do it on the biggest site.
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