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View Poll Results: Will you continue playing on Stars after the VIP changes?
I will likely quit poker as a profession soon after. 33 14.93%
I plan to move most/all of my action to another site. 123 55.66%
Keep grinding it. More rake is better anyway. 65 29.41%
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:08 PM   #151
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Re: Pokerstars - Important changes to VIP reward for 2017

Ok so they are/soon were the no.1 pokersite by a mile, with quite weak competition.
And now they are transformating to a online casino/sportsbook while there already very many of, and a lot have much better software,odds, value etc.
Pissing off more and more pokercustomers.
Im struggeling to understand how this is a profitable direction for them to take.

Its funny, since stars years ago changed how vpp's were distributed, which was bad for regs, followed by all the other rake/vip changes, also bad for regs, traffic has gone down more and more. I believe almost every Stars policy-change that was bad for winning players, was followed with declined traffic. Im sure there is a correlation.

Another thing i want to bring up is stars absurdly shortsighted and imo both simplified REG's and REC's point of view.

REGS: Poker need REG's for a reason much overlooked imo:

For every succesfull REG there are hundreds if not more who wants to be a succesfull winning player. They try, fail, some try harder, succeed for a while/stake, etc. And even that 1 winning REG was once a -EV player learning the game. When the games become unbeatable, pokerstars not only lose the REGS, but all serious players who wants to try to become a profitable player.

REC's: I believe many losing customers who are viewed as REC' by stars aren't players all just playing for fun. Many play poker to become better, believing if they once get good enough they can become winning players, and therefore choose it over gambling online. Not us much as the losing wannabee-regs mentioned above, will learn that the games are becoming unbeatable, but still many do. Just look at a random twitchpoker streamchat, this topic is talked about a lot, and the word is spreading fast.

A (new) pokersite who acknowledges this and act accordingly, will be very succesfull i believe.

TLDR: Stars is losing way more customers then REG's with changes who are bad for REG's, imo.

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Old 09-10-2016, 09:14 PM   #152
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Re: Pokerstars - Important changes to VIP reward for 2017

this new rewards system only can be bad for all regs and recs , they are just trying to make some people debate on the regs / recs thing but the main point is that they will be INCREASING THE COST OF PLAYING POKER ONLINE , i think everyone should make that the focus, on a side note im a nl200-100 winner over 7-8 years and im really planning to quit next year if they make some **** like 888 did
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:22 PM   #153
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...they are just trying to make some people debate on the regs / recs thing but the main point is that they will be INCREASING THE COST OF PLAYING POKER ONLINE , i think everyone should make that the focus...
True that.
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:24 PM   #154
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the whole idea is to keep the money in play longer so it can be raked more.

If a rec loses his deposit quickly, other players got the bulk of it

If a rec loses his deposit slowly, then the house's take increases
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:27 PM   #155
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Also feels like they have some sort of under the table deal with 888 to control online poker rake its like 888 ****s everyone first and then pokerstars follows , this kind of practice would be investigated in the real world because its ilegal but since this is the interwebs and its a gray area we are ****ed
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:45 PM   #156
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It's almost like the can do what they want to do, and the customers have to decide if they want to continue to frequent their business.

Strange stuff indeed.
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:48 PM   #157
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Once upon a time (when I started playing there) the limit was 2 tables. I hope they go back to that.
Jesus I hope not. You may as well just go and play live in a ****ing casino.
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Old 09-10-2016, 09:55 PM   #158
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Rakeback should be based on player balances. In this way Stars will maximize total deposits and potential number of games running. And they will also make more interest income from the float.

50-200 balance 10 percent rakeback
200-800 balance 15 percent rakeback
800-3200 balance 27 percent rakeback
3200-10000 balance 35 percent rakeback
10000-50000 balance 42 percent rakeback
50000-100000 balance 50 percent rakeback
100000-500000 balance 58 percent rakeback
500000 and up 70 percent rakeback

There are many reasons why this is the most profitable path for pokerstars to take.

1. Deposits will almost certainly increase under such a system
2. Withdraws will almost certainly decrease under such a system
3. More games will run and higher stakes games will run
4. Both casino and sports betting will have increased play
5. Interest income from float will be the highest it can be

The most important thing it does is that it forces grinders to increase their risk in order to be rewarded. If I am 12 tabling 1/2 NL but only have a 5k balance then there is no way I can make a good rakeback amount unless I increase my balance. The problem with keeping money on the site is that I then become way overrolled. I can no longer get super juicy 65 percent SNE with a 5-10k roll. I am forced to play higher as is everyone else. Higher buy-in games have the most rake possible for stars. Game quality will improve because of the economics. The money will start to get uncomfortable for the grinder because of the stakes. It will force grinders to have to play real poker.
this seems good
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:05 PM   #159
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pokerstars are gorgeous.. poker is such a beautiful game i love pokerstars yummy
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:09 PM   #160
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:12 PM   #161
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At this point everyone in this thread knows you either a troll or a ps employee so stop trying please
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:19 PM   #162
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Avid reader aka Mottotom aka xxpocketducksxx is a serial troll/complete retard who has been banned multiple times. Hopefully the mods will take care of this current account shortly.
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:44 PM   #163
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this seems good

this `might work
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Old 09-10-2016, 10:51 PM   #164
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This game has a great future ahead
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:24 PM   #165
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This game has a great future ahead
You see, this is more in the spirit of how people should be acting in response to these sorts of changes. Unfortunately many people are pessimists these days.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:45 PM   #166
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Rakeback should be based on player balances. In this way Stars will maximize total deposits and potential number of games running. And they will also make more interest income from the float.

50-200 balance 10 percent rakeback
200-800 balance 15 percent rakeback
800-3200 balance 27 percent rakeback
3200-10000 balance 35 percent rakeback
10000-50000 balance 42 percent rakeback
50000-100000 balance 50 percent rakeback
100000-500000 balance 58 percent rakeback
500000 and up 70 percent rakeback

There are many reasons why this is the most profitable path for pokerstars to take.

1. Deposits will almost certainly increase under such a system
2. Withdraws will almost certainly decrease under such a system
3. More games will run and higher stakes games will run
4. Both casino and sports betting will have increased play
5. Interest income from float will be the highest it can be

The most important thing it does is that it forces grinders to increase their risk in order to be rewarded. If I am 12 tabling 1/2 NL but only have a 5k balance then there is no way I can make a good rakeback amount unless I increase my balance. The problem with keeping money on the site is that I then become way overrolled. I can no longer get super juicy 65 percent SNE with a 5-10k roll. I am forced to play higher as is everyone else. Higher buy-in games have the most rake possible for stars. Game quality will improve because of the economics. The money will start to get uncomfortable for the grinder because of the stakes. It will force grinders to have to play real poker.
i would love to see this happen if for no other reason then for the holy **** stakes that would be running that i would rail the ever living **** out of. would revive the dream of insane money also
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Old 09-11-2016, 12:18 AM   #167
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Man, I was really looking forward to getting my stars account unlocked but now I'm not even going to bother. This is total crap.
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Old 09-11-2016, 01:37 AM   #168
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You see, this is more in the spirit of how people should be acting in response to these sorts of changes. Unfortunately many people are pessimists these days.
Nobody believes you you shill.
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Old 09-11-2016, 03:10 AM   #169
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Man, I was really looking forward to getting my stars account unlocked but now I'm not even going to bother. This is total crap.
What did the temp ban you for?
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Old 09-11-2016, 04:37 AM   #170
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Nobody believes you you shill.
He's not even a shill. He's an attention whore. Best to just put the guy on ignore.
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:29 AM   #171
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this seems good
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Old 09-11-2016, 06:45 AM   #172
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He's not even a shill. He's an attention whore. Best to just put the guy on ignore.
It's people like you who make these threads unbearable. You just pluck sweeping statements out of nowhere to describe someone you know very little about. I've put you on my ignore list.
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:03 AM   #173
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It's people like you who make these threads unbearable. You just pluck sweeping statements out of nowhere to describe someone you know very little about. I've put you on my ignore list.
**** off Tom
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:12 AM   #174
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They only just changed/overhauled the VIP/rewards system for 2016 and there now going to completely change/overhaul it again for 2017?! Seems to me that, they didn't achieve there goals from the first overhaul so, are going to continue changing things until they get whatever the desired result is that there looking for. Wouldn't surprise me to see changes again in 2018 at this rate...
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Old 09-11-2016, 07:14 AM   #175
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Looks good Stars, it's probably not saveable ....but at least you are trying. Can ignore most the people saying they will quit too. I mean...if PG wants to not burn his money RIO will have a similar anti mass tabling pro model anyway.

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