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View Poll Results: Will you continue playing on Stars after the VIP changes?
I will likely quit poker as a profession soon after. 55 14.14%
I plan to move most/all of my action to another site. 230 59.13%
Keep grinding it. More rake is better anyway. 104 26.74%
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:27 PM   #26
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Re: Pokerstars - Important changes to VIP reward for 2017

Slot are you lee jones by any chance?
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:27 PM   #27
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Obviously, Stars are going to copy the 888poker Club which started on March 30, and thus Stars are months behind in development as usual.

Cross-product VIP programs prompting a player to try out all the offerings will eventually appear at all major poker sites except maybe the future shark tank known as Run It Once Poker.

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Old 09-09-2016, 01:28 PM   #28
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Rewards for all of your activity
Earn rewards not just by playing poker, but if you are in eligible areas, for casino games and making sports bets on BetStars. You won’t be required to play on any specific product, but your activity on all products will help you progress on your path to earning rewards.
So in other words in 2017 we are going to see 888 type of program where playing poker you get 5% back. So glad decided to call it quits for 'poker'stars.
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:31 PM   #29
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stars should sponsor the first person to get SNE playing slots

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Old 09-09-2016, 01:43 PM   #30
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Rewards for all of your activity
Earn rewards not just by playing poker, but if you are in eligible areas, for casino games and making sports bets on BetStars. You won’t be required to play on any specific product, but your activity on all products will help you progress on your path to earning rewards.


Fantastic news!!!!!
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:45 PM   #31
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Opportunity for matched betting?
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #32
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the extra rake may be part of a cash grab yes maybe theyll use some of it in increased mtt guarantess. (one can hope).

the extra rake is also for the purpose of cutting back on the pros/grinders. those 16 tabling people using software click click clicking. they are making it so those people are forced to play less tables/less volume but make the sessions count. basically they are trying to level the edge against the recs and force players to play smarter and make the sessions count or the rake paid through long sessions is too much at times to overcome.

they are basically saying u want to earn a living at playing poker no problem. but you're gonna have to earn your money like the average rec/fish does by making your sessions count more. yes its a punishment to those who grind out 16-24 tables many hours a day.

i see what they are doing. kudos pokerstars. fantastic job!!!!

many arent going to like this cause they are spoiled using the software for insane volume. the extra rake compensates for the less volume the grinders and multitablers will pay.
Can you quote a source for anything of this ?
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Old 09-09-2016, 01:54 PM   #33
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so they are just killing off half the games w this no rb bs? i guess i finally need buy some seating scripts and start pure bumhuntin w timstone.
If you had to rely on rakeback to make a living, this was always the risk you faced. It only takes a site to cut their rakeback, like Pokerstars and other sites have done, and you effectively don't have a job anymore.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:02 PM   #34
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A higher percentage of hands are seeing the flop in cash games, player deposits are lasting longer, which along with other such trends indicate a more healthy poker ecosystem, with long-term sustainability.

Can anyone from Pokerstars come here and address these claims? I see threads galore indicating the ecosystem is being destroyed by advanced tools, high rakes, bots, scripts, bumhunting. It's good to see though that your 500$ added ( 50$ first prize for thousands of player fields) and 1M freeroll ( 10k first prize and measily endless 2$ payouts ) are good for the ecosystem. Offering bonuses that are to insignificant to ever be cased out by even a toddler and disguising these pityful bonuses with large marketing prizes is not doing anything for recreational. You are appearing as frauds.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:03 PM   #35
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If you had to rely on rakeback to make a living, this was always the risk you faced. It only takes a site to cut their rakeback, like Pokerstars and other sites have done, and you effectively don't have a job anymore.
ahhh but Pstars is going to raise the rake to cater to those rakeback pros. How kind of them.

Seriously this is going to be bad as always for poker players... the lowest of rakers will be neutral and every other poker player will lose.

Sports betters will win slightly, and therefore so will Pstars.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:04 PM   #36
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Thanks stars, what a waste to become SN this year... knew it..fml
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:14 PM   #37
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If you had to rely on rakeback to make a living, this was always the risk you faced. It only takes a site to cut their rakeback, like Pokerstars and other sites have done, and you effectively don't have a job anymore.
i dont rely entirely on rb, but rb makes up a decent chunk of my income since i only play zoom and other heavily raked games to get in bunch of volume bc bumhunting and lobby camping is very tilting. Also im only "semipro" since im doing my second level degree atm. Its just good not having to work a regular job while doing it. Rake is already super lol at those games and no rb makes it pretty sad.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:18 PM   #38
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I have become desensitised to such news and expect large pay cuts every year in the form of tougher games and higher rake. I didn't read this news and react with anymore disdain with poker and Pokerstars than I already had. I just laughed.

Suck a (f)*** Pokerstars. I rated Daniels narcissist project 1 on Netflix and IMDb and it made me really happy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Old 09-09-2016, 02:21 PM   #39
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Headline Banner of the Newsletter Link ist PokerStars.IT so is it only for Italian regulated Client?
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:23 PM   #40
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not yet, could be an interesting idea, for them
Back in the day when stars.fr opened they raked preflop allso. Didn't last that long though.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:27 PM   #41
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Cliffs: "FU Grinders!"
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:39 PM   #42
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really high hopes for galfond. its the only thing that can save us
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:41 PM   #43
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oh, this thread again.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:45 PM   #44
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Headline Banner of the Newsletter Link ist PokerStars.IT so is it only for Italian regulated Client?
nope, if you change .it to .com the news remains

http://newsletters.starsaccount.com/...ept-announ/en/
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:57 PM   #45
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Still waiting on that great news Dnegs promised
this is that great news.
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Old 09-09-2016, 02:59 PM   #46
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wow amazing news! Thanks Amaya! Your making my desision of quitting online poker easier! :'(
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Old 09-09-2016, 03:02 PM   #47
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I think everyone may be over reacting.

They haven't said for certain that Supernova rewards will be reduced. They said that they are subject to change, which they always were.

Secondly, its much better if you can get Supernova rewards now after a month of grinding as opposed to having to wait an entire year to get the 30% rewards.

I assume that you will have to get 9000 VPPs a month to get the Supernova rewards.

It's good news as long as the rewards aren't cut to ****
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Old 09-09-2016, 03:09 PM   #48
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When RIO Poker is launched everyone on 2+2 will make the switch. Good environment for recs to give it a try..
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Old 09-09-2016, 03:09 PM   #49
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Secondly, its much better if you can get Supernova rewards now after a month of grinding as opposed to having to wait an entire year to get the 30% rewards.
You must be kidding here! Do you belive you would get fixed 30% from january on? wow! You totally misunderstood the email!
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Old 09-09-2016, 03:17 PM   #50
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I don't think this is a surprise or news at all and would just not feel bad about it since the negative emotions you'll experience are pointless, harmful for yourself and won't change anything. This email literally said nothing new, let alone "surprising" imo.
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