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Old 07-06-2010, 04:37 AM   #331
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Re: pokerstars.FR ON STRIKE !

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1. One concern I have as I fight for regulation of online poker in the US is that we tell the politicians about the billions regulation will bring, but ultimately that money is going to come out of the player's pockets. Maybe the effectiveness of this strike can be used as an example to lower the fees when PokerStars becomes licensed in the US.

2. PokerStars loses money on lots of things they do: poker tours, TV shows, small markets (like pokerstars.fr). They hope to gain in branding or to eventually turn a profit. Also, they go headfirst into each of these endeavors because they can afford the losses better than the competition since they make a lot of money on their core business.

3. The CEO of PokerStars is too smart to openly lie to people about the facts concerning their costs in the French market. It isn't that hard for people inside and outside the company to calculate approximately how they are doing financially.

4. Of course the CEO is frustrated that only PokerStars has been targeted. If something isn't done to get the attention of the French government, PokerStars will keep losing money in this market or be forced to pull out.
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:38 AM   #332
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Lets do the .com side...they are coming for us next.

I'm not blaming stars, but somebody has to listen to us. Our greedy governments are trying to turn poker into a bingo game. Everyone loses.
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:40 AM   #333
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4. Of course the CEO is frustrated that only PokerStars has been targeted. If something isn't done to get the attention of the French government, PokerStars will keep losing money in this market or be forced to pull out.
We have no problem with that...
In fact if all the .fr are forced to pull out ARJEL will be forced to change the law right now!

You don't know the french barry...oh no....you don't know the french....

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Old 07-06-2010, 04:49 AM   #334
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1. One concern I have as I fight for regulation of online poker in the US is that we tell the politicians about the billions regulation will bring, but ultimately that money is going to come out of the player's pockets. Maybe the effectiveness of this strike can be used as an example to lower the fees when PokerStars becomes licensed in the US.

2. PokerStars loses money on lots of things they do: poker tours, TV shows, small markets (like pokerstars.fr). They hope to gain in branding or to eventually turn a profit. Also, they go headfirst into each of these endeavors because they can afford the losses better than the competition since they make a lot of money on their core business.

3. The CEO of PokerStars is too smart to openly lie to people about the facts concerning their costs in the French market. It isn't that hard for people inside and outside the company to calculate approximately how they are doing financially.

4. Of course the CEO is frustrated that only PokerStars has been targeted. If something isn't done to get the attention of the French government, PokerStars will keep losing money in this market or be forced to pull out.

Dear Barry,

What are your personal thoughts about this ridiculous tax and the fact that Pokerstars do not want to absorb any of it and instead pass it on to the players? Do you sympathise with the players who are forced to pay this ridiculously high and almost unbeatable rake, and may be forced to quit playing completely? Do you think this can kill poker in France?

Of course, wrong Government regulation is the primary cause and should be fought against. But Pokerstars, as the market leader, could surely show some care for the player and the poker community? For example, they could use their market position and try to influence the French Government to make the tax reasonable and not deadly for the game? Or, if they didn't want to do that, they could at least absorb some of the tax so that players have some incentive to play? Or if they can't, why didn't they just refuse to take the French licence? Greed?

I know you are affiliated with Pokerstars in a certain way, and probably can't say much on this. But still, what about Pokerstars.fr CEO being a son of some shady politician who is on friendly terms with the President? Doesn't this fact alone suggest that there is some sort of collusion going on in order to rob the players by passing the tax on them completely, and on top of this, even increasing the rake more than necessary to accommodate the tax?
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:50 AM   #335
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3. The CEO of PokerStars is too smart to openly lie to people about the facts concerning their costs in the French market. It isn't that hard for people inside and outside the company to calculate approximately how they are doing financially.
What was this smart CEO thinking when he launched PokerStars.fr with a rake that is almost impossible to beat? Did he think it was going to be a huge succes?
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:51 AM   #336
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Good initiative guys!

Barryg is just trying to rake some more $.....
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:01 AM   #337
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One thing is for sure, we will fight vs the stupid gov tax and vs all fr.sites who support this.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:05 AM   #338
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Only read the first 2 pages or so. This is pretty awesome but are u French guys getting this message to whoever represents you? In the states we can call up our representitives and congressman and thats what Id be doing in this situation all day every day.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:10 AM   #339
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Only read the first 2 pages or so. This is pretty awesome but are u French guys getting this message to whoever represents you? In the states we can call up our representitives and congressman and thats what Id be doing in this situation all day every day.
we took the mails of ALL french governement representatives mails (350+ mails) and are sending regularly emails.
we are setting up an official association of poker players to represent us to arjel and authorities. all this is done through the same forum.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:31 AM   #340
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When and if further negotiations occur with PS or the French Govt, you should include the point of international player bases also.

There is no reason why the French Govt can't collect their 2% tax on deposits and then let the players play all the games available on the .com site. All it would need is a .fr site for depositing.

quoting this because I think this is a great idea and should be brought to the attention of Pokerstars and the French Government/ARJEL.

segregated player bases suck and only serve to destroy the game!
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:47 AM   #341
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I dont know what all the fuss is about on all the new fr site, it can only mean 1 thing!

More rakeback!!
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:49 AM   #342
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we took the mails of ALL french governement representatives mails (350+ mails) and are sending regularly emails.
we are setting up an official association of poker players to represent us to arjel and authorities. all this is done through the same forum.
thanks for the update
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:50 AM   #343
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HighFish, don't quote him, just report like I did and that's it : now delete your post.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:50 AM   #344
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you know that france is one of the USAs strongest allies and has saved our butts many times. If it wasnt for Frances help we would still be a british colony. so all you people making jokes about the cowardice of french people are really out of line and should STFU.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:00 AM   #345
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On a more serious note, if the sites were making the kind of money you all seem to think they are, someone else would have opened a site with a 4% or 3% rake at some point... and yet they haven't. 5% with crappy customer service in an untaxed market seems to be the lowest anyone has been able to go. If they were "thieves" someone would have come along and beaten them.

They provide a service that you pay for... if you don't like the price, then don't pay it. Trying to say that the company providing the service is stealing from you because they charge too much is kinda silly.

But the service quality is not there anymore ... and now it's more expensive than before !

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