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Old 07-04-2010, 10:26 AM   #286
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

can sum1 explain why when i visit ps .it and .fr homepages they show same player amount who are currently playing online ?
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:38 AM   #287
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can sum1 explain why when i visit ps .it and .fr homepages they show same player amount who are currently playing online ?
They are counting the playmoney players.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:43 AM   #288
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With deposit bonus you get much more than 30% - about 55%.

Let's make some calculations. You deposit 500 euro and get 500 euro bonus and need to earn 10,000 VPP to clear. While earning 10,000 VPP you pay 1,333 euro in rake (7.5 VPP for each euro). With 10,000 VPP you get 120 euro of stellars. Assuming you are silver on average (750 VPP/month) you also made 15,000 FPPs and can buy 3 cash bonuses 40 euro each for 13,500 FPPs. Summary:

€1,333 - rake
€500 - bonus cleared
€120 - stellar bonuses
€120 - cash bonuses

740/1333 = 55%

After you clear the bonus, it depends on your volume, but it will be over 10% even with a moderate volume and can be over 50% with a high volume.

P.S. Stars doesn't get all of your €1,333 in rake. If we guess that 20% of this rake is collected for no flop hands, it's €267 tax. For the remaining €1,066 collected in post flop hands, Stars pays 26% tax which is another €277.

So your net rake during this time is €593, French government gets €544 and Stars gets €49.
Dude, do you work for the Stars or maybe you are paid to defend them here? All you do in these forums is defend the Stars, so you must have some pecuniary interest in this.

You are the only person who thinks that this rake is not ridiculous.

Your above calculations are way off and with too many assumptions, btw. There is no way you get 55% return, unless you are really a high volume player on higher stakes, and even then it won't last long.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:54 AM   #289
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Sit Out Event Today to take place btween 18-22 CET.
looks like many french player will participate in this, all wearing the same avatar, all sitting out and flooding waiting lists with slogan as location (("ARJEL M A TUER") Arjel is the games regulation authority in france).
perhaps a good idea to create a french account and just sit out on any table (even play money table) in order to help them to be more visible. this rake rape could happen to many countries in the future. including usa .
the avatar to wear is there
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...hoto-43750.jpg

Sit out event thread for more info.
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...che-4-juillet/
I think we (non french)`d even better to participate in this event on ps.com.
To show that all players want play internationally and with normal rake.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:08 AM   #290
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+ day torrent will be great !

imagine on each cash game and mtt majors !

LOketto, can u do the same .xls and add the .COM rake this is good to see.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:11 AM   #291
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I think we (non french)`d even better to participate in this event on ps.com.
To show that all players want play internationally and with normal rake.
+1

That's the spirit my friend!

But it's better to come on the .fr version because they are starting to be more and more surounding every day.
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:15 AM   #292
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

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no you dont. you have to declare a bank account only if you want to cash in/out.
Then they are violating the law, I suggest you report them to ARJEL
espaceconso@arjel.fr

Source : Décret n° 2010-518 du 19 mai 2010 relatif à la mise à disposition de l'offre de jeux et de paris par les opérateurs agréés de jeux ou de paris en ligne

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Lorsqu'une personne sollicite l'ouverture d'un compte joueur auprès d'un opérateur agréé de jeux ou de paris en ligne, celui-ci, préalablement à l'ouverture de ce compte, lui demande :
1° De lui communiquer ses nom, prénoms, date et lieu de naissance, l'adresse postale de son domicile ainsi que les références du compte de paiement, tel que mentionné au dernier alinéa de l'article 17 de la loi du 12 mai 2010 susvisée, sur lequel l'opérateur reversera, le cas échéant, les avoirs du joueur ;
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:18 AM   #293
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I have seen info about this action on two major russian sites (i`m russian).
If we had more time to prepare we could do real international action of protest.

Think players of all nations would support this
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:22 AM   #294
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I have seen info about this action on two major russian sites (i`m russian).
If we had more time to prepare we could do real international action of protest.

Think players of all nations would support this
We could still do the action today like it was planed and do another (international sitting out) in a week or two?

BTW in france we are just starting to think about a way to make a union of players.
Not sure it's going to work but it's an interesting idea.
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...ms-francaises/

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Old 07-04-2010, 11:23 AM   #295
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We could still do the action today like it was planed and do another (international sitting out) in a week or two?
of course
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:18 PM   #296
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4 of july 2010 the first digital manifestation is a succes!
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:20 PM   #297
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BOYCOTT IT SIMPLY!!
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:22 PM   #298
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BOYCOTT PS.FR //
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:25 PM   #299
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I am taking all my previous words back concerning the french players not doing anything about this.

There is a whole bunch of people currently occupying many tables at the .fr site and sitting out in protest.

And I think an action on the .com site would also be great
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frenches are mental
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