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Old 06-30-2010, 10:36 AM   #16
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

Is the preflop rake uncapped?

That seems like it'll make almost everything up to MSNL unprofitable.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:41 AM   #17
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preflop probably capped to 1€
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:50 AM   #18
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You guys grossely overestimate the skill difference between french players and others...

Look at the stats: french are not losing significantly faster/more than players from others countries...

http://www.pokertableratings.com/top-countries

Country and Winrate/100 hands
Norway $-11.80
Denmark $-11.63
Sweden $-8.20
Australia $-9.77
Netherlands $-8.00
United Kingdom $-7.37
France $-9.97
Germany $-3.95
Canada $-9.12
United States Of America $-7.44

=> Not very likely to have winrate improve, and WAY higher taxes = not much money left to be won...

You can quote PTR all you want, but take out micros and i'd happily bet the MEDIAN $/BB tells a different story. I know as a heads up player if a french player sits with me as i'm closing out tables to go to sleep, I will stay up indefinitely to play them. They. Are. Horrible.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:54 AM   #19
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

wow think of all the FPPs nom nom nom
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:58 AM   #20
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

http://www.pokerstars.fr/tournois/calendrier/

Best tournaments schedule ever..

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23:00 200 € Hold'em NL 6 max HIGH ROLLER


It's impossible to deposit more than €470/day and €1750/month and to play more than 10k euros a month. (there is no way to make supernova playing SNGs)

Last one is my biggest concern.




By the way the PTR top-countries thing is only for FullTilt and Party poker.

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Old 06-30-2010, 11:20 AM   #21
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Re: Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

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You can quote PTR all you want, but take out micros and i'd happily bet the MEDIAN $/BB tells a different story. I know as a heads up player if a french player sits with me as i'm closing out tables to go to sleep, I will stay up indefinitely to play them. They. Are. Horrible.
No offense but I would rather trust statistics on a 400 million hands sample than your impressions...

And I dont understand why you would think that french players are more likely to play micros than another population (make no sense to me).

As additional information: preflop rake effect vary a lot depending on the format, according to simulation in HU midstakes CG it would be something like a 400% increase of the rake.

As a consequence it seems that no .fr poker site will offer HU tables...
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:29 AM   #22
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Do like the french farmers and dump cowdung infront of the government institutions. Tons of cowdung.

It's fkn insane how these incompetent ******* politicians ran by old money is so fkn all the time in the way of the internet revolution. Post the names so we can piss on their family graves.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:34 AM   #23
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Lets wait for an US regulation of online poker, it will obviously be tax free... erm wait ?
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:40 AM   #24
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Do like the french farmers and dump cowdung infront of the government institutions. Tons of cowdung.

It's fkn insane how these incompetent ******* politicians ran by old money is so fkn all the time in the way of the internet revolution. Post the names so we can piss on their family graves.
I like this fckn post +1
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:42 AM   #25
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Lets wait for an US regulation of online poker, it will obviously be tax free... erm wait ?
Well the US market is different in a major way than the French market. Our market is so huge that Pokerstars will likely pay for the deposit tax's that our government will require. France on the other hand has maybe 1/10 the market size we do....just totally different ballgame.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:44 AM   #26
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wow sucks to be france and get basically raped in the ass by online poker.

must suck to live in a communist country.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:49 AM   #27
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Well the US market is different in a major way than the French market.
True.


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Our market is so huge that Pokerstars will likely pay for the deposit tax's that our government will require. France on the other hand has maybe 1/10 the market size we do....just totally different ballgame.
What exactly will prevent the US tax offices to squeeze much more than that ? You really think that they will let offshore company keep 80% of the deposit (10% going to the winning players) ? In the middle of a recession ?
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:52 AM   #28
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France enacts a 2% tax on poker pots up to 1 Euro. Earlier, it was to be 2% of the player's deposits.

For sports betting, the tax is almost 9% for operators if you're not Francaise des Jeux and Pari Mutuel Urbain.
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:00 PM   #29
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must suck to live in a communist country.
lol!
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