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I always thought the equity calculations were off but then I realized it's because they account for all known cards - ie all the cards dealt/burned. It can be proven by looking at when you have two identical hands in a showdown. The preflop %s are always slightly different due to the flush but then post flop - if it's rainbow then the percentages swap back to 50%.

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12-19-2015 , 08:10 AM

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LektorAJ

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^ Post a screenshot to illustrate what you mean.

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12-19-2015 , 10:35 AM

#153

Hero Value

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 9,258

That's wrong. They definitely do not count burn cards.
Go to somewhere like cardplayer.com's calculator, the percentages are almost always identical.

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12-20-2015 , 01:04 AM

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istack_u5

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 618

I would say they do count burns, I have noticed some weird all in equities displayed. Like if you have a pair vs a pair going to the river itd be 2.5 % instead of 5. Dont have screenshots but I know what rickroll is saying

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12-20-2015 , 03:56 AM

#155

LektorAJ

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Not much point reporting a 'bug' without screenshots.

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12-20-2015 , 05:40 AM

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JackRandall

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,967

It may well count all dealt cards, but surely there aren't burn cards for them to count?

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12-20-2015 , 08:34 AM

#157

wheatrich

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I'm a bit surprised insurance already isn't a thing. Lots would take it rather than risking getting stacked.

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01-06-2016 , 11:52 AM

#158

rickroll

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Originally Posted by LektorAJ

^ Post a screenshot to illustrate what you mean.

I tried doing that at the time but in order to put in a screenshot I'd need to first host it somewhere? I only saw a URL, since deleted them by accident while decluttering my desktop. I'll post again next time I see slightly different odds for identical hands like AsKd vs AhKc

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01-06-2016 , 03:29 PM

#159

Hero Value

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Just upload it on to imgur.com. Click upload images there, then paste it in there with ctrl+v and you're done.

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01-07-2016 , 08:06 AM

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HarryPaget

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really bad idea imo, its not like a dealer at a casino would inform you of your equity.

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01-07-2016 , 02:11 PM

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roddy

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Originally Posted by istack_u5

I could be wrong, but I don't think i've ever noticed only have 2.5% with two outs before.

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01-07-2016 , 02:18 PM

#162

mchine

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 568

2 outs is 2/44= .045 = 4.5%

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01-07-2016 , 02:31 PM

#163

LektorAJ

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They're definitely counted from 44 cards on the turn because 11 outs comes as exactly 25.0%.

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01-07-2016 , 02:34 PM

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roddy

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Originally Posted by mchine

2 outs is 2/44= .045 = 4.5%

Yeah but it shows as 5%, and one out shows at 2.5%. I don't recall ever seeing 2.5% with two outs.

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01-07-2016 , 02:46 PM

#165

mchine

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Originally Posted by roddy

Yeah but it shows as 5%, and one out shows at 2.5%. I don't recall ever seeing 2.5% with two outs.

If there were 4 hands in the showdown then 5% would be correct.
2/40 = .05 = 5%

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01-07-2016 , 09:37 PM

#166

Hero Value

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Yeah I've also never seen that either, or for something like 3 outs to be just 5%. I don't think he was right, so I'm waiting on the screenshot.

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Originally Posted by mchine

If there were 4 hands in the showdown then 5% would be correct.
2/40 = .05 = 5%

Way to miss the point again. -__-

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01-08-2016 , 05:50 PM

#167

rickroll

oddly catty

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,590

ahh, wish i thought of imgur, will definitely be reviewing all identical hand showdowns preflop going forward

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11-14-2016 , 06:09 PM

#168

d2_e4

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 12,107

I'm a "regfish" (in the sense that I play regularly but I'm a losing player). For the last 6 months I've been playing o8, and I sympathise with the players/posters who say that it's bad for the game. In NLHE, it's pretty easy to work out equity vs hand and not that hard to work out equity vs range - in omaha, and o8 particularly, it isn't. Those numbers have really helped me improve from fish to not as big fish. Just my 2c.

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11-14-2016 , 10:08 PM

#169

Hero Value

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Yep, this

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Good input. And I actually wish that I had these odds like 4-5 years ago, when I was starting out learning O8 and PLO. Would have helped me and sped up my learning quite a lot.

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