PokerStars decides to hide rake in the fine print of tournament lobbies now! - Page 3 - Poker News

Stopped playing on Stars a while ago (after 10+ years). I don't trust Amaya and won't play on any site where I don't trust the owners (I was one of the first to check-out of UB and warned others to do so, well before the scandals were outed).

Congrats on not being a whiny xxxxing , entitled sheep. If others had your balls to stop playing there , maybe something would be done.

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08-07-2017 , 02:58 PM

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the4bettingmonk

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Originally Posted by raidalot

I don't think it's borderline scummy.

The rake is the price the customer is paying for the service. Burying it like that is straight scummy. especially as not all the buyins/rakes are rounded amounts which can also be misleading. e.g. hyper is not $80+2, but $78.10 + $3.90 (5% rake lol).

If Greedstars cared about their customers and reputation they would restore transparency rather than continuing to reduce it further. We can only assume hiding the rake is the pre-cursor to yet more rake rises.

Great post from a great player.

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08-07-2017 , 03:00 PM

#53

the4bettingmonk

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

Also I fully expect MTTs to get a rake increase. Let's not forget the 10% for MTTs has been in place since before BF. Every other game type has seen rake increases except for MTTs, not to mention they are one of the few remaining profitable formats. I think we'll see 15% being the new standard in 2018 with Stars spewing some BS about how every other game has been "adapted" to the new market conditions except for MTTs.

I think they'll stick to 10% but will try to introduce more bubble-rush and turos. Either way, WCOOP will be the indicator for direction they intend to go in.

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08-07-2017 , 03:54 PM

#54

rivercitybirdie

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Originally Posted by raidalot

The rake is the price the customer is paying for the service. Burying it like that is straight scummy. especially as not all the buyins/rakes are rounded amounts which can also be misleading. e.g. hyper is not $80+2, but $78.10 + $3.90 (5% rake lol).
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excellent post........ i was going to say $215 could be ok because i think most people would ASSUME it's $200 + $15. but your post suggests it might not be - and i can just imagine PS marketing meeting that came up with this idea.

not sure if the following comment is highly relevent or not. but what about having the tournament structure in the fine print? would some players not realize this is a bounty tournament? and i thought most bounty tourneys were small to medium portion of prize pool. this example is large %

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08-07-2017 , 05:53 PM

#55

le grinder

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stars keeps doing this because players allow it, if their volume would decrease, they would have stopped at some moment, I quit for a couple of years (from poker in general) and a couple of months ago i returned there and was a high rake nit fest and left immediately.

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08-07-2017 , 06:16 PM

#56

Neil S

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I like how OP claims it's in the "fine print" when the rake info is literally in the same size text as everything else there.

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08-07-2017 , 06:49 PM

#57

PeteBlow

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With this new system there's also no way of seeing on the main lobby page how KO bounties are split.

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08-07-2017 , 06:55 PM

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septclues22

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 21

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Originally Posted by Neil S

I like how OP claims it's in the "fine print" when the rake info is literally in the same size text as everything else there.

Nitty, but true.

It is rather inconspicuous, however, because in order to see it you must scroll down.

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08-07-2017 , 06:59 PM

#59

Hero Value

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Originally Posted by raidalot

Nope, Amaya hasn't left out MTTs. They raised tourney rake in lots of ways over the last couple of years, e.g. raking rebuys, increasing turbo + hyper rake to same as regular speed, pushing rake-trap formats like knock-outs.

Also many of their other money grabs like reduced rake-back and new currency fees apply equally to MTTs.

Yes, great point. And don't forget other absurd new rake-heavy tournament formats like Beat The Clock. (As well as things like consistently increasing the number of possible re-entries in tournaments in SCOOP and WCOOP etc.)

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Originally Posted by KwizatzHaderach

I'm not having this. There was no reason to change the display within the tournament lobby, other than for sinister reasons. Anyone who was confused by the lobby shouldn't be entrusted with money, let alone an online poker account.

IMO, if Stars actually received any communication by someone claiming to be confused by the tournament display, they should have closed their account and sent them a gambleware leaflet.

Wp.

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Originally Posted by Neil S

I like how OP claims it's in the "fine print" when the rake info is literally in the same size text as everything else there.

Oh come off it. Semantics. And doesn't take away from the point/principle of it.

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08-07-2017 , 07:03 PM

#60

Rich Checkmaker

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Originally Posted by 7deuc3

just preparing for the end of year 100% rake bonanza! No one will notice the rake change if they display the buy in values as a whole leading up to THE PURGE!

+1 lol.

this gem of a post needs more love

wouldn't it be hilarious if they did that though? PURGE the whole damn site change the rake to 100% and just collect everyones money.

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08-07-2017 , 07:33 PM

#61

p2ryan

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This is clearly a move to increase rake. This will lead to a small hidden rake increase

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08-07-2017 , 10:11 PM

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rakemeplz

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They were probably planning the rake increases anyway. This allows them to hide it better if so. But the rake increases were/are coming either way.

*just speculation on my part obv

Last edited by rakemeplz; 08-07-2017 at 10:12 PM. Reason: I approve of everything

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08-08-2017 , 12:49 AM

#63

elendil200

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Originally Posted by MrAdvantage

Their stockholders think otherwise. PSs does not exist for you fools to make a living. Get it through your thick, entitled skulls. Next time y'all play a multi, chat and see how many customers noticed the change or care .

Derp.

The BHP shareholders dont mind the destruction of the reefs, what is your point? Really went off on a tagent there, didnt ya.

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08-08-2017 , 01:01 AM

#64

Wildspoke

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I just went on the PS NJ site. When you hit the register button for a tournament. A pop-up window appears and says your account will be charged buy-in + entry fee.

I'm not a fan of the change and I prefer the 200+15 call out but if it shows you exactly what you're getting charged when you register it's not that egregious.

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08-08-2017 , 01:20 AM

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CyberShark93

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08-08-2017 , 02:07 AM

#66

poiulkjh

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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker

+1 lol.

this gem of a post needs more love

wouldn't it be hilarious if they did that though? PURGE the whole damn site change the rake to 100% and just collect everyones money.

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08-08-2017 , 05:11 AM

#67

Foreva More

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Less and less trustworthy with each day ..

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08-08-2017 , 08:35 AM

#68

Josem

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It seems that many people in this thread are ascribing motivations and thoughts to PokerStars. That seems unfair to them - How about asking them for their rationale?

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08-08-2017 , 08:45 AM

#69

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by Josem

It seems that many people in this thread are ascribing motivations and thoughts to PokerStars. That seems unfair to them - How about asking them for their rationale?

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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun

I have asked PokerStars for an official statement in their Discord channel and have gotten no response.

They have basically been screwing people over in small and big ways, you want to give them the benefit of the doubt? Seriously?

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08-08-2017 , 08:55 AM

#70

wj294

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Originally Posted by Josem

It seems that many people in this thread are ascribing motivations and thoughts to PokerStars. That seems unfair to them - How about asking them for their rationale?

You're a former employee of them, able to share any other possible motivation behind this? Also 0 chance they would ever actually reply and I refuse to believe a single person is incapable of understanding the old format of buy in+ rake

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08-08-2017 , 09:01 AM

#71

bazooka87

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Originally Posted by Josem

It seems that many people in this thread are ascribing motivations and thoughts to PokerStars. That seems unfair to them - How about asking them for their rationale?

People have emailed, asked in Discord, I've asked in the mttc thread, haven't heard anything yet.

At this point I'd say I'm going with Occam's Razor but I don't even know what any other explanation would be

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08-08-2017 , 09:04 AM

#72

uradoodooface

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

wait, they didn't change anything but text and people are upset?

YOu been around since '05 and posted this? Do you just not play poker and just post on 2+2? Cause it sounds like you know dick about poker bud.

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08-08-2017 , 09:06 AM

#73

uradoodooface

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Originally Posted by Josem

It seems that many people in this thread are ascribing motivations and thoughts to PokerStars. That seems unfair to them - How about asking them for their rationale?

Why bother at this point? This is just 1 of many bad changes for the players. The only thing I'd be asking Stars is how do I get my money off the site lol.

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08-08-2017 , 09:09 AM

#74

Josem

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Originally Posted by wj294

You're a former employee of them, able to share any other possible motivation behind this?

No, I don't know their reasoning for this change; I'm not their representative.

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Also 0 chance they would ever actually reply and I refuse to believe a single person is incapable of understanding the old format of buy in+ rake

I think this is unfair to them - I'm not aware of them not replying to customer emails in the past on issues like this.

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Originally Posted by bazooka87

People have emailed, asked in Discord, I've asked in the mttc thread, haven't heard anything yet.

Good to know that people have emailed and asked - I hadn't seen any previous mention of that in this thread. I guess we'll have to wait and see what they said. This thread was only started 48 hours ago, there might well be an innocuous explanation.

I am only saying that people shouldn't ascribe motivations or thoughts to people/organisations other than themselves.

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08-08-2017 , 09:45 AM

#75

lenC

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Originally Posted by Josem

I am only saying that people shouldn't ascribe motivations or thoughts to people/organisations other than themselves.

Then shut down NVG and stop letting people talk about and evaluate TSLA since it might hurt the companies feelings, best we just send emails.

Can you even envision any scenario why choosing to be less transparent about the rake might ever be an idea that is motivated with good intentions?

Their emails will say that the previous method was too confusing. If there are any rake increases coming then it's just coincidental. This isn't our first rodeo.

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