mrducks if you go back and watch some of the old videos you will see that Harry was playing bigger buy in satty's i think they were $325 and Tim was playing the $125's. Perhaps you can tell us how they colluded in those games.

You have such a hate hard on for him you can barely control your emotions, but i'm pretty sure you are pleased with your self now that you have spread the hate over here now.

Which video?

Relax guys, they are just sharpening their skills to take the poker tag team championship title away from howard lederer and chris ferguson

Dude you are so full of crap. In the video below he not only admits to both of them playing large SNGs but actually admits to playing a $1030 SNG with Harry:

Hmmm. This is definitely grey area stuff for sure, however I am leaning towards the harmless side.

Most of me just thinks it's just a case of 'no big deal, just two friends that haven't seen each other for awhile and just want to spend time together playing poker'.
I mean, do you really think that if they were consciously colluding would they be stupid enough to broadcast it to thousands?

Essentially, if Trooper started playing lower buyin SNGs it was only because he was torching money at the bigger buyin ones. He would also go play SNGs by himself whenever he got knocked out of his SNGs with Harry...which I suspect was fairly often.

Maybe you have not been following Trooper's Vlog long. He constantly does stupid things.

Yes absolutely I do. Tim regularly edits in rants/mumbling/actions and behaviors that no reasonable person would if they were self editing. Watch the video and how they talk about playing together in 2012 and then their behavior at the end of the video in 2017 describing trying to play together and avoiding open seats apart.

It's a really bad look. If I was Tim's personal friend I would be imploring him 100% to address this in his next video and make a clear statement that they were never playing at the same table before with a 50/50 split and that the recent confusion in 2017 is harmless because they weren't 50/50 splitting this summer and were only looking to play a friendly game together to catch up and hang out.

Any statement more vague than that would suggest BSing and rationalizing/spinning collusion.

I imagine a nice little game of footsie went on under the table

It's The Trooper

Not sure how I feel about this whole issue, but I do think Trooper likes to brag when he wins and brag about how awesome he is, so yes he would be stupid enough to broadcast it to thousands if they were colluding. He really is that arrogant, and his arrogance has led to him making plenty of stupid decisions in the past. So I don't buy the "if he was really colluding he wouldn't say anything about it in a video" type of reasoning.


I don't know. He might just ignore it and hope it goes away, and dismiss any comments both here and on his videos as comments by haters and trolls. He constantly bashes 2+2 so even different posters (that don't watch his vlog) showing up and calling it collusion won't affect his opinion.

What happens when people trade parts of themselves with other players in an event? Is that different or a smaller but same thing?
I have seen posts that have talked about a husband and wife playing at the same table but never thought much about it unless they try a squeeze play against a third player to get him to fold, which I have never actually seen done at a table I was at, but have read that it has happened among colluding players.

No one is able to say with even the slightest bit of accuracy how often Trooper and Harry have sat at the same SNG table. Last summer Harry was in town (I'm not sure for how long) and Trooper played at most 1 SNG all summer. As of yesterday they had played no SNGs together this summer.

There is no evidence of them actively colluding. So this is only cheating/collusion if merely sitting in the same one-table SNG as someone you're splitting action with is cheating/collusion. As far as I know, that's not what the poker world thinks. It is however a grey area and a "team" should only do it on rare occasions, if ever.

I'm surprised this thread is being left open given how little evidence there is and how many of the posters throwing around cheating accusations are newbs who know very little about poker.

I don't know if he will say this but if he does, is it really true? He's mentioned in previous vlogs, I believe, that he and Harry crush single table SNG's together and he wants to do that again. I assume since they split profits 50/50 NUMEROUS times in the past that this was probably the plan this year as well.

If it worked before, why would they stop now? Why was Trooper so eager to meet up with Harry the night before?

Trading 10% or 20% in a large multi table event is one thing but trading 50% in a single table sit n go are completely different. Plus the frequency of the trade happening is a big thing. If two friends do it once or twice in a summer it is one thing but when they discuss doing it for ten of thousands of dollars at $125 buy ins and then splitting $30,000 profit in a month, that seems very calculated and planned out. It doesn't seem like two buddies just hanging out at that level.

That is how I interpreted the situation from watching the video. Please watch the video and form an opinion.

Gobbo posted in the other thread saying:

"Straight 50/50 chopping there is straight up colluding already. They have literally no incentive to play against each other and to expect them to do so makes no sense. Even if it was 60/40 they could get the benefit of the doubt but this can't be defended."

The fact that's there's collusion in STTs isn't a news flash, the fact that trooper semi brag/admitted he did, is.

I went back and rewatched the video hoping to find some benefit of the doubt giving footage. Instead at 3:58 there is a clip of Tim shooting Harry from across the table at Tunica in February 2012. If they had 50/50 of each other in that clip then Gobbo would disagree with Trooper's tweet that they never colluded.

By Gobbo's definition Tim provided exhibit A.

He may not feel in his heart like he did anything wrong but this is a reputation defining moment for him as player, self-edited into his own vlog. :O

So the evidence is this from the video using Trooper's own words:

1. Called Harry his poker partner
2. Trooper explaining how they started in Billoxi, MS playing single table satellites. They pooled their money together, played single table satellites, and then divi-ed it up at the end. Turned $3,000 into $13,750. We made $10,750 that we, of course, split in half.
3. $27,000 in buy-ins over 150 single table sit n go's (proves that this isn't an isolated instance)
4. Then did the same thing in Tunica
5. Then we see video of Trooper recording himself sitting at a table with Harry sitting at the same table across from him
6. They come to the Rio in Las Vegas in the summer of 2012 for 36 nights or days
7. Won $34,000 between the two of us together
8. Then in 2017 just a few days ago...TWICE tried to get into a $125 sit n go table but only 1 seat was left so they didn't play and decided to wait for another table. Trooper says, we were going to chop it 50/50, oh well.

In the video Trooper showed all the cash they won from an earlier trip and said, it looks like a drug bust. When I think drug bust, I think illegal money why did that example come to mind for him?

Yea it's more this. I've always stayed away from stt sng because of my concern about collusion or soft play by other players, it's just too easy to do.

The fact he published this himself is what's amazing. This is not changing the state of STTs it's just amazing how he would so openly risk his own reputation and credibility

So he admits to wanting to play at the same table as Harry.

He denies colluding saying, no need to, then why do they split ALL winnings 50/50? If there is no need to collude, play on your own roll.

Also, these questions got raised because you put all of this info up online and volunteered to provide all of these details that look extremely like collusion.

Can Trooper explain how all of this isn't collusion with concrete examples and specific explanations?

You said in earlier vlogs this year that the Rio is horrible to play at but you came back to play with your friend Harry? Is the Rio a better place to play if Harry is there?

In this clip Trooper says they can use the $500 chips to buy into 2 SNGs at a time. Hmmmm....

He makes it sound like they were just a couple of friends having a few drinks and making jokes in a 4-8 limit game.