Poker Stars Pro's dumping $$$ to friends? - Page 11 - Poker News

d0nk3y · 07-17-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by spike420211

food for thought:

In the 4 years that I've played at Tilt, NOT A SINGLE RED PRO has been awarded any Ironman status there.

How would you know? Just because you don't see a badge doesn't mean they are not ironman.

Lestat · 07-17-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JayLV

Because they're getting over 100% rakeback and earning VPP. Effectively scamming Pokerstars...So, there's that.

Thanks. I didn't know there was such a thing as plus 100% rake back. Still doesn't explain why OP would care unless he's just being a good samaritan.

RNauta · 07-17-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Thanks. I didn't know there was such a thing as plus 100% rake back. Still doesn't explain why OP would care unless he's just being a good samaritan.

It's been said many times before, I just wish you would finally get it.
PS runs a promotion, a bunch of SNE's then start abusing it, realising that if two SN's or SNE's play eachother headsup, they're getting 126% rakeback. So they play fake hands that are 'bet-raise-fold' nonstop. PS then loses a lot of money (someone on another forum calculated that Chiren and his friend were generating $100/hour each in fpp's). In the future PS might think twice about running promotions for the users. Maybe they'll run the same promotion again next year, but then the benefits will be a lot lower. Maybe they've canceled a future promotion like a redeposit bonus because they have run out of budget. These kind of things hurt the ordinary player.

tetron · 07-17-2010, 12:05 PM

Just a thought but perhaps Chiren just isn't very good and 3JSS owns him

There are several issues that might be going on here:

1) this could just be an inefficient money transfer
so when 2 players only they dump
This is not an issue imo as far as the poker.
But possible fraud options:
a) long as there is no promotion going on for highest rakes
b) it is not being done to conceal a money trail
c) that some rakeback promoter is being conned

2)If it is collusion
this would be a clear cut ban of both players and should be followed up by an investigation and fines.

3)Someone needs the bonus points for some special offer
This in my opinion again is not unreasonable as long as neither a) or c) happen.

4)trying to make a player look like a loser
5) account hacked
6) Chiren is going to run out of money as all the 2+2ers are going to start playing him

craigmarq · 07-17-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spike420211

food for thought:

In the 4 years that I've played at Tilt, NOT A SINGLE RED PRO has been awarded any Ironman status there.

And I can think of several pros who have put in the volume to qualify.
Coincidence? I think not.

I'm wondering if the entire concept of SN/SNE should now be questioned.

btw, in b4 vast #'s of idiotic responses from shameless bonus whores

We can do the promotions, but all of those promos come out of MGR. You can imagine how that would be disadvantageous.

spike420211 · 07-17-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by d0nk3y

How would you know? Just because you don't see a badge doesn't mean they are not ironman.

The red names in all tournaments get posted at the top of the screen b4 any mtt.
I have yet to see one red pro in an Ironman freeroll.
I've seen them in 26$ token sng's, no steps sng's yet, but wtf, they take a rakeback hit 4 that.

Let's take this one step further:

If a red pro is given:
> a salary package,
[25$/hour typically whilst sitting in a cash game or mtt, Chiren's is allegedly reported to be 100$/hour]

>100% rakeback,

>a certain amount of commited[by the pro] and funded[by the site] live mtt's,

and red pro's are still allowed to swarm upon SN/SNE?

It appears, to me, that Stars has built up an extremely flawed system, which is now careening out of control.

spike420211 · 07-17-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by craigmarq

We can do the promotions, but all of those promos come out of MGR. You can imagine how that would be disadvantageous.

craig,
explain MGR 2 me... sounds too much like MGMT.

edit:nm, I kinda grasp the concept, rakeback hit, like I mentioned earlier.

Also, Craig, the model for SN/SNE is way different from Ironman.

If non-pro players openly proclaim that SNE is so lucrative that it beats other sites WITH RAKEBACK, well, mebbe we just opened Pandora's box.

Rampage_Jackson · 07-17-2010, 02:43 PM

Fvcking scum. Pokerstars needs to stop making cheats and foreign dip****s pros.

d0nk3y · 07-17-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spike420211

I have yet to see one red pro in an Ironman freeroll..

Why would anyone play a freeroll when you can get medals instead to buy bonuses?

/derail

MinusEV · 07-17-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rampage_Jackson

Fvcking scum. Pokerstars needs to stop making cheats and foreign dip****s pros.

Foreign? Just how many pros do you think they'd have if they only chose people from Isle of Man?

LiveActionPro · 07-17-2010, 05:00 PM

Stop Snitching, who cares.

arashY1984 · 07-17-2010, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiren

When the promo came out i started to play 24 tables 10NL as its very chill and good vpp's. 3j55 started to join my tables and play more and more aggressive vs me and i adapted ending up table selecting to be heads up vs him all the time.

I have won some and lost some the accusations in this thread are not in line with how i'm playing you can check the hand histories. I'm neither flipping nor chipdumping nor colluding and am not breaking any rules in the TOS.

If someone sticks it in with almost ATC its normal u call/shuv with botton pair.

And starting to play tight will only make him play tighter aswell which is minus ev for me.

I'm replying for the people that want a clear answer from me because i know that to some haterz it doesn't matter what i say.

As an online pro or normal player i wouldn't do anything illegal, if Pokerstars say it is i will stop immediately, although i don't think it's the case because i have informed myself and even talked to them as some people accused me of cheating in chatwindow.

such bull****.....this guy needs to be removed from team online pro

goldieshorn · 07-18-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

Thanks. I didn't know there was such a thing as plus 100% rake back. Still doesn't explain why OP would care unless he's just being a good samaritan.

I dont care tbh, just noticed something was going on and put it on here for people to see. In this instance I am a grass and I have 'snitched' on him but as a pokerstars sponsered player/pro I thought this should be brought to light.

POB666 · 07-18-2010, 07:38 PM

^Grass^

LiveActionPro · 07-18-2010, 07:39 PM

Who is getting hurt by this?