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09-26-2014 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
5 years in the future people will look back at the horrible games available online now as the "good ol days" while pros with REAL poker skill (like billy baxter and abe mosseiri) use their energy to get invited to berry patches and print money. Learning to play poker is a waste of time kids. Take your aspergers medicine cuz making money in poker is gonna require talking to people and making contacts again very soon.
O_o Da faq is wrong with you? Sorry your life didn't work out as planned.
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09-26-2014 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gdsfather
O_o Da faq is wrong with you? Sorry your life didn't work out as planned.
buwahahahahahahahahha
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09-26-2014 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Appropriate punctuation and capitalization would have helped you make your point here.
yeah i never really learned good English. I understand some basic rules but get into bad habit, however it is true my English leaves much to be desired. However if you understood the condition in depth you would realize been highly skilled in some ways whilst clearly deficient in others is pretty common.
In my case though I am sure if I made appropriate efforts my English could improve.
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09-26-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
5 years in the future people will look back at the horrible games available online now as the "good ol days" while pros with REAL poker skill (like billy baxter and abe mosseiri) use their energy to get invited to berry patches and print money. Learning to play poker is a waste of time kids. Take your aspergers medicine cuz making money in poker is gonna require talking to people and making contacts again very soon.
Afraid this is likely.
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09-26-2014 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
bots could be killed over night with one simple method the site has in its terms and conditions that they can access your camera during play. I know thats an invasion of privacy but i doubt the stars staff would want to perve on you been naked. I am sure we have all played naked at some point.

However its worth the sacrifice for the risk reduction simple random snaps through the computer camera taken without notice would verify human at the controls and the right human for that matter.
Besides the obvious and aggregious invasion of privacy that you mentioned, there's also the reliability, or lackthereof, of the idea that people are always sitting within visibility of their camera while playing. Poor idea.
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09-26-2014 , 04:54 PM
This is it, this is the end of online poker as we know it. Time to get real jobs guys. Tomorrow morning regs are going to get decimated one by one.
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09-26-2014 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.FatCat
This is it, this is the end of online poker as we know it. Time to get real jobs guys. Tomorrow morning regs are going to get decimated one by one.
Same **** has been said since I got here in 2009.
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09-26-2014 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.FatCat
This is it, this is the end of online poker as we know it. Time to get real jobs guys. Tomorrow morning regs are going to get decimated one by one.
that's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it? besides another simple thing would be a program that pauses and asks for input from a player like questions or even pokerstars staff directly random checks like this would catch bots out sure a well programmed bot could outplay many and arguably all people but its another thing for it to be able to succesfully pose as a human.
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09-26-2014 , 05:10 PM
Guys, I think Dr.FatCat was joking....
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09-26-2014 , 05:13 PM
Technological progress was responsible for the birth and growth of online poker.
Technological progress will be responsible for the death of online poker.
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09-26-2014 , 05:13 PM
Things that can be solved by a computer, will be solved.

Statistics that can be collected and analyzed, will be.

Strategies that can be improved, will be improved.

But the sky is not falling. Most play will continue to be sub-optimal.
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09-26-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
of course you are right, but you are missing a point imo...
Collusion and exploitable bots are somewhat detectable... How are you going to detect a GTO bot?
We need even stronger measures against and I think the ultimate measure is the ability to charge the user with fraud
Intrestly enough this has already happened in Sweden, when the state run monoploy reported the persons behind a bot ring and they are charged but I do not think the case is decided yet.

Målnummer B 5929-13, Södertörns tingsrätt

You should be able to find the police investigation here:

https://www.flashback.org/t2086364p10

I never downloaded the zip so do it on your own risk.

But then again there is a huge difference with a state run company that only accept players from their country, some maybe most international betting company does not even report credit card fraud to the authorities.
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09-26-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
a well programmed bot could outplay many and arguably all people but its another thing for it to be able to succesfully pose as a human.
Cleverbot would like a word with you.



Cleverbot isn't even that clever. The latest AI bots can create websites, short-stories or pieces of music that are pretty much indistinguishable from the work of humans.
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09-26-2014 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Technological progress will be responsible for the death of online poker.
Probably HU till 200BB deep

I doubt about 6max games... where even 2 players that are playing GTO are underperforming if another player enter the pot and play exploitably
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09-26-2014 , 05:42 PM
If the game is not holdem, not heads up, and has a structure that encourages multiway pots there will never be a non adjusting bot that plays better than the best humans.
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09-26-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
If the game is not holdem, not heads up, and has a structure that encourages multiway pots there will never be a non adjusting bot that plays better than the best humans.
could you define adjusting vs non adjusting in this context?
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09-26-2014 , 06:04 PM
Just one variation of one game - Hold'em, No Limit, Headup.

Problem solved. Do not play this game.
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09-26-2014 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Richas
could you define adjusting vs non adjusting in this context?
humans are effectively biological computers eventually computers will be made that can outdo humans in every single way not just isolated games like chess or poker.

however computers as they currently are only have a robotic path type of functioning they do not actually have consciousness yet, although IBM are working on that.

as far as i am aware no computer program has yet successfully passed the turing test.

that will of course change in time also there are ways to detect software running on computers. its a threat yes and one which could kill online poker but lets get real its not the imminent doomsday some are prophesying here its not like there is a direct link for every joe to down load or buy that can also pass the turing test and be undetectable on a computer.

just get some scope guys.
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09-26-2014 , 06:26 PM
and please dont bring up the 13 year old example i read that chat log and i would have spotted it was a computer. not a bad effort but come on. 5 years and we probably have a problem next few months or year or two i doubt anything to worry about
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09-26-2014 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Richas
could you define adjusting vs non adjusting in this context?
Adjusting = playing to exploit opponent's leaks, so you are varying your strategy

Non adjusting = GTO (since you don't care about what the opponent is doing)
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09-26-2014 , 07:07 PM
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09-26-2014 , 07:19 PM
User: What do you think about Michael Jordan.

Cleverbot: Which one?

User: The basketball player the best player of all time.

Cleverbot: I'm sleepy.

User: Me to but I cant think of anything to wank about.

Cleverbot: Do you like Disney movies?

User: Dont think im getting much material there disturbing direction.

Cleverbot: I think in the present, not the past, nor the future. And right now I don't have a reason to smile. Tell me a joke.

User: A man walked into a bar, ..... His drinking problem was destroying his family life.

Cleverbot: God is not anything but love and the creator.

User: Proof god exists.

Cleverbot: English is my first language. I have spoken it for around 22 years.


i think were safe for now
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09-26-2014 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
bots could be killed over night with one simple method the site has in its terms and conditions that they can access your camera during play. I know thats an invasion of privacy but i doubt the stars staff would want to perve on you been naked. I am sure we have all played naked at some point.

However its worth the sacrifice for the risk reduction simple random snaps through the computer camera taken without notice would verify human at the controls and the right human for that matter.
nice try NSA. my webcam is taped up.
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09-26-2014 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gdsfather
O_o Da faq is wrong with you? Sorry your life didn't work out as planned.
lol

is there a smiley for roll eyes?
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09-26-2014 , 08:44 PM
Best bot can only beat other bots, losers, or players who falsly believe that they can play GTO. The real crushers will always be better than bots, because GTO does not exist. That's what the T in it is for.
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