get a seat in the senate, hope at some point your vote is critical for some key political issue like the "backpacker tax" and use that position to leverage the legalisation of online poker

and how long will that take?

Not sure why a network that's been around since 2001 and is backed by one of the world's biggest sportsbook is put in the same conversation of lock. Their only similarities are US facing and the similarities end after that stigma.

That being said poker is a game of analyzing risk vs reward. Would never recommend the risk of putting one's entire life roll on a site.

a while

The people are not the same, makes a huge difference, but the external risks are all too real. The DOJ still exists and Full Tilt were respected too.

However you look at it this site and their backer challenge US law and law enforcement. The people may be good but there has to be a risk of moral hazard when they are willing to act illegally.

Can confirm WPN/ACR is risky/scummy site. I got screwed out of $4k+ due to lack of competence. I'm yet to post full story but I will get around to it one of these days. Def wouldn't recommend anyone having money on a site that is ran so poorly.

Main point is that there are risks that would rather not be taken with shady sites such as ACR.

I think bitcoin poker is probably gonna be the way to go - I took all my money out of stars and I'm playing on seals with clubs and betcoin.ag

Confirming should be based on more than just saying you have forthcoming details. If ACR was as scummy as you said constantly scamming people out of thousands NVG would be an even more interesting place. That being said please by all means post it as we protect each other with actual details and facts, not by hiding behind "but I will get around to it one of these days".

That being said sorry for derailing further. I feel part of the process is evaluating potential options and doing due diligence. As someone who is from the US and had to move to Costa Rica I understand what a scary time this is.

Don't forget NSW alone has 20% of all Pokies in the known universe.

unfortunately there are 2 types of sites... stars and non stars. Maginging risk with much more caution on all non stars seems like a good blanket statment to me. Hell amayastars might even fall into the non stars category soon

Was about to say even stars is nonstars these days so there is only one category

No, Australia has 20%. NSW is about half of that

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http://theconversation.com/15-things...h-pokies-49230

and banning online gaming will help the problem gamblers.

If someone like MJW says they got scammed by a site because they're dodgy I would tend to lean towards believing what he's saying without needing any further details. He's one of the most reputable/well known players in Aus and he's not alone, ACR are very incompetent and I would certainly play on there with great caution.

Actually the gray area sites could do very well and thank god for Bitcoin making it all possible. If we had Bitcoin before Black Friday might never happen or likely with much less negative impact.

If the regulators don't have jurisdiction on offshore sites and can't trace funds through US institutions, what can they do? It's not a big enough problem for them to care anymore - look at bovada/ignition, wpn, more?




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what are the legitimate chances that online poker in aus will be banned?

surely amendments in the bill to exempt online poker will be implemented? some people's (not mine) livelihoods in Australia depend on their online poker income. Will they acknowledge this despite it not being taxed?

it's kind of embarrassing how backwards this country is

Except that they claim High consumer protection of player funds under their UKGC licence and in their Ts&Cs - this means that all player funds are held in trust. if they go bust or whatever the player money is in trust. To keep the licence they need to prove this to the UKGC every month - the Trustees sowing balances and the firm declaring total player funds, all auditable & if they lie prosecutable.

In contrast try respected 888 - they opt for low protection, that is that player funds are held in seperate accounts and must match declared deposits. Those funds if Busto are available to all creditors, not just players. Meanwhile 888 Ts & Cs make clear that only UK player deposits are held in seperate (non operational) accounts. The rest of the world - they are basicall admitting that they are using player deposits as working capital with no seperation at all.

I really didn't like ACR either. Rake was super high and the promotions gave all the money to whoever could rake the most.

Getting money off was a massive struggle also even though I had left the US and gone back to Australia. Support wouldn't help me even though I had paid thousands in rake.

If you agree that problem gamblers are far more likely to PG online than the general population, then it would make sense to get rid of online casino games...Would it not?

As far as I can see this is an attack on a seedy casino games industry, lead by a conservative government, and has nothing to do with trying to make online poker players become butt hurt. Yeah it sucks, obviously. But is it better for everyone to ban online gaming or is it just better for poker players as individuals for it not to happen, without considering all of those that will be negatively impacted?

It didn't need to be a choice between all casino games or no casino games. Poker could have been treated differently as recommended by numerous independent reviews. Unfortunately, the government wants to jam something through and pretend they've achieved something.

Meanwhile, the seediest of the casino operators will continue to offer services to Australians. Live pokies will continue to destroy thousands of people's lives.

I would have to disagree with you on this. We were one of the only sites that paid out everyone post BF. I can guarantee you that the most important thing to the CEO is players funds. We are very far from shady.

If you had an issue you may not have spoken to the right person but if you PM me your issue i can take a look.

So has it been confirmed (I kinda got that idea) that the ban will at least not happen until March at the earliest? Asking cos I'm considering spending some time Down Under in early 2017 but would need to be able to play obv. Sorry to clutter the thread with a selfish question, but couldn't think of a better place to ask and the information around the internet seems conflicting. Thanks!

I posted my opinion based on my own personal experiences with the site. Saying I might not have spoken to the right person is a bit of a joke, I spoke to a bunch of members of your support team, and if they're not the "right person" then I don't know who is or how I am supposed to contact them.

I have sent you a PM with some further details.

Sorry for the derail to this thread, I realise now that I should have posted this elsewhere when I actually had time to bring up the entire matter publicly and properly. Carry on.

No final details are confirmed its not even guaranteed the bill will pass or if it does whether it'll be amended etc if it passes as is that's obv bad for us. I'm going to spend some time calling politicians when I get home from holiday soon and see if I can get details

Alright, tyty. Would be great to hear if there's a date when they decide something, I mean there has to be some sort of schedule right?