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Obviously no one wants Stars to be banned in Australia, but those worrying and/or stressing over the situation is probably a bit silly. I'm inclined to not even think about it and just carry on, because there is actually nothing any of us can do to control the situation anyway. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't.

It's not like we won't be able to cashout our funds etc, so no point stressing over something completely out of our control?

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10-29-2014 , 04:20 PM

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forthwrite

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Originally Posted by me - 24th Oct

Hi,

There is a lot of talk that when the new license in the UK becomes active (November 1st) that Pokerstars will then be forced to leave grey/black market countries, like Australia/Russia etc.

Is this a real concern or can you put my mind at ease?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Stars Support - 29th Oct

Hello,

Thank you for your email.

We appreciate your concerns and those of your peers in Australia.

Please rest assured that we will communicate to all of our players in Australia should the current situation change, as it is in our best interests to provide information to you as quickly as possible. Importantly, your funds are safe with us and they will always be made accessible to you should you want to withdraw them.

I appreciate that you are looking for a more detailed answer, however we simply can't speculate on whether any changes may occur in the future.

As soon as we have more details we will share it with you. In the meantime, if there is anything else that we can help you with; please feel free to contact us accordingly.

Thank you for choosing PokerStars.

Regards,

Simon
PokerStars Support Team

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Originally Posted by me - 29th Oct

Hi Simon,

So are you unwilling to say that Pokerstars will still be available for real money play in Australia 1 week from today (Several days after the UK legislation comes into effect)?

I understand you don't want to speculate on a distant future, but 1 week from now is not distant.

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Originally Posted by Stars Support - 29th Oct

Hello,

Thanks for your reply.

The changes we are making next week are in order to comply with our offering to UK players. This is not something that impacts our ability to offer services to other jurisdictions (nothing will change next week in that respect).

Thus, we will still be offering real money games to Australian players next week, in the rare event that anything changes we will be proactive in our communication to players.

Regards,

Simon
PokerStars Support Team

I'm not sure if we can read anything into the fact it took 5 days for the first reply but the last one is about as definitive as I've seen from anyone at Stars.

Maybe pulling out of all of those other countries was enough to appease the lawmakers, at least for now.

Edit - Looks like that last reply is a template they're sending to everyone.

Last edited by forthwrite; 10-29-2014 at 04:33 PM.

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10-29-2014 , 05:10 PM

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pontylad

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This is the reply they sent a friend in Canada....

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Originally Posted by jrockhaf

I emailed stars about not being able to serve Canadians after next week.

Thanks for your reply.

The changes we are making next week are in order to comply with our offering to UK players. This is not something that impacts our ability to offer services to other jurisdictions (nothing will change next week in that respect).

Thus, we will still be offering real money games to Canadian players next week, in the rare event that anything changes we will be proactive in our communication to players.

Regards,

Simon
PokerStars Support Team

I still think that poker will be offered in Australia/Russia but it's certainly disconcerting that the replies they have given us have not been as definite as the one above.

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10-29-2014 , 05:18 PM

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forthwrite

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^^ Look up one post.

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10-29-2014 , 05:55 PM

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pontylad

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My bad, ty forthwrite. Serves me right for not reading your entire post.

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10-29-2014 , 08:29 PM

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The Spewtard

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Originally Posted by mjw006

hear hear.

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10-29-2014 , 09:02 PM

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SwoopAE

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Good to see Stars clarify the matter. I didn't think Stars would leave Australia without legislative changes here in Australia, and that seems to have been confirmed in that email. Fortunately, Tony Abbott is too worried about trying to appease big business and making poor people angry at other poor people and dealing with a semi-hostile senate to put any legislative effort into anything to do with online poker for the remainder of his first (and possibly only, if the last few months polling is accurate) term.

At this point, the status quo is great for us, and hopefully nothing changes that in the near future.

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10-29-2014 , 11:03 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

Abbott has shown an uncanny knack for annoying absolutely everyone (quite a feat after Labour's circus-like shenanigans prior to his election) and I think cracking down on poker would make some people happy e.g. A Current Affair watching reactionaries. So on those grounds alone, I'm hoping it's not a priority for him.

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10-29-2014 , 11:59 PM

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Anti-gambling crackdowns of any sort will piss off the pub/club industry, do you remember the fuss they kicked up over pokies restrictions of any sort? Any anti-gambling restrictions wouldn't be specific to poker (it's too small a market to matter) and we'd have Tom Waterhouse and the sportsbetting industry and the pub/club industry that relies on pokies revenue on our side.

That said, at the rate Stars is going this week maybe we won't care if they pull out in a few months time if another site can step up to the plate

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10-30-2014 , 12:22 AM

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CRP90

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i got the same 2 email repsonses from pokerstars as posted above.

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10-30-2014 , 12:55 AM

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sqwerty12

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

I can ensure you with absolute certainty that Clubs Australia clearly differentiates between its position on pokies and online poker.

The truth is they would prefer attention diverted away from Pokies to online gaming and that's come straight from the horses mouth.

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10-30-2014 , 02:22 AM

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runlikeyum

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At least we don't have to pay 2.5% fee on pokies cashes. Where's the Gold!!!!

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10-30-2014 , 03:04 AM

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kyan972

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View: James Packer should start up a poker site

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10-30-2014 , 04:56 AM

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The Detonator

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Originally Posted by kyan972

View: James Packer should start up a poker site

Not sure I want a guy who has forced blackjack where dealer 22 is a push on the state running australian online poker

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10-30-2014 , 06:23 AM

#715

spaghetti

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Originally Posted by runlikeyum

At least we don't have to pay 2.5% fee on pokies cashes. Where's the Gold!!!!

haha I'm def becoming a Where's the Gold reg if poker leaves us, only poker machine worth playing!

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10-31-2014 , 08:35 PM

#716

blocka

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Looking at other sites due to Stars rake increases and other crap they have been doing.

I created an account at 888.

I then tried to create an account at bwin, but it seems they aren't accepting Australian players? Why did they stop?

This is from their site:
https://www.bwin.com/en/p/important-information

Important Message

We are now closed in your country of residence and no longer accepting new players, deposits, bets or game play. If you have a real-money account, your balance is accessible to withdraw.

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10-31-2014 , 10:38 PM

#717

jakedamus

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Let this thread die, this is all out of our control, just have a back up plan

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11-01-2014 , 05:32 AM

#718

Richas

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Originally Posted by blocka

Hmm, BWIN pulled out of 18 countries (not incl Aus) in April 2013. I had not seen anything (except a rumour of an affiliate letter 2 weeks ago that they were pulling out of grey markets).

Their website still seems to have a page promoting Aussie poker:
https://poker.bwin.com/en/poker/p/aussie-poker

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11-04-2014 , 10:17 AM

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Barcelona World

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Originally Posted by Barcelona World

It appears that SuitedAce is not a Lock clone. There are regularly some Omaha PL tables with blinds $10/$20 running, so there must be some kind of trust.

Have to add:

[ ] SuitedAce: "Where The World Play Poker"

[x] SuitedAce: "Where Obvious Colluders Get Rewarded"

Colluder mamnato still allowed to play!

Colluder Freedom 1st place weekly race!

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11-24-2014 , 08:27 PM

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Hagar76

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Will PS now having a sports betting option have any impact? The Aus government doesnt give 2 s#*ts about poker but sports books are always on the radar.

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11-24-2014 , 09:40 PM

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Monkey Banana

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If Stars opens a legal sportsbook it will very likely close down poker in Australia. Other sportsbooks have not offered their poker rooms here.

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11-24-2014 , 09:42 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Throw your money into a pokie, no one has a problem this side of Nick Xenophon. Play a hand of cards and you just supped with Satan.

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11-24-2014 , 11:14 PM

#723

pontylad

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It won't get offered in Aus i imagine.

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11-24-2014 , 11:29 PM

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The Detonator

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Aus sportsbetting market is absurdly competitive, theres 0% chance pokerstars would be allowed to run if they dipped their toe into that pool

Hopefully theyve figured that out and it wont be offered here

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11-24-2014 , 11:31 PM

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SwoopAE

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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana

If Stars opens a legal sportsbook it will very likely close down poker in Australia. Other sportsbooks have not offered their poker rooms here.

I bet on Pinnacle every day and it's an offshore sportsbetting site that services Australians. I play on Stars every day and it's an offshore poker site that services Australians. If they were to merge and offer both services, I don't see how that's different

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