Maybe PokerBananas will bust all bots for us?

Update: Official complaint has been forwarded to the UK Gambling Commission.

mods should have merged this into the "internet poker is rigged" thread long ago

Looks like the colluders are aware of this thread and are now trying to hide the fact that they have colluded for some time now. It looks like Kilmesoftly is playing what's seems to be alone at many plo 50 tables.

I have played quite a bit on Ipoker and have several 1000's hands on these accounts. I am going to go through hem and see how much I have lost and check for some irregularities.

Fedreserve in the SB. If he is a bot he sure is one big fish....
He also does not auto top up for the record. This hand was played 23/10/2013.
Just going of this hand I am now not as convinced he is a bot.

crazy why should a bot go all in with 2 Pair in a 3bet pot with less than 100 BB?!?!?

I guess he means the cold call pre...

How is this supposed to prove anything?

Cold call pre is super standard, even though he might as well just get it in

Getting it in on the flop is standard as well. MP is short stacked and he will get it in good vs you a lot

As it turns out, MP has just about the worst possible hand he can run into and SB still has significant equity vs Tsar

ITT a bunch of people who have no idea what they are talking about. posting hands where they play unconventionally is stronger evidence for them being bots than not, especially when their strategies are mathematically reasonable (as above). When the nl bots appeared on ipoker/ongame etc they did all sorts of stuff that seemed weird/bad and was actually good (and sometimes very good) like defending lots from the bb, checkraising and raising small on many flops and turns, and regs thought it was all horrible but they crushed hard overall and in these spots.

and furthermore all the mediocre SSPLO regs saying they can just crush bots (who seem to be playing winning poker and a strategy you don't understand, while never tilting) are delusional.

bwahaaahaaaa you guys crack me up. theres millions of dollars floating around the internet, acesssed by the entire world, and you are shocked theres cheating going on.

I really doubt anyone is shocked. What people are doing when pointing out bot rings, collusion, and the like is trying to put together a case that can and will be presented to the site, hopefully to have something done about it. But it is presented here first to a) see if there are holes in the theory b) see if anyone has other evidence to add c) bring out the morons who feel a need in every one of these threads to announce how they know there are bad things going on in online poker and that they would never deposit a cent making them far smarter than anyone else.

You might be right, at the time I didn't like his play, however it might be standard to get it in.

I am not shocked that people try to cheat, humans have done so since the dawn of time.

Tolerate bots, confiscate moneys, buy Audis ?

Just to clear up, that thecrusher24 has NOT been implicated as a bot. I don't have an opinion on this thread yet, but please don't confuse with stonecrusher.

Think once u consider they are bots we can def exploit them espactly on later streets, but dose not change the fact that they are cutting every ones win rate. But im still out of here after playing close to 1 M hands this year, the fact that they might be coluding makes it way worse.

This is why we need trackers in the game.. If collusion and bots where not around then you could make a case to get rid of huds and tracking

The colluding part makes the winning part waaaay easier and not really impressive imo.
Not to mention trying out a bot at the highest stake sounds like a terrible idea

There is some decent evidence that these accts are bots, don't think there's been much definitive or convincing evidence that they are colluding

Ragtime84/HappyTiger8 plo20... anyone have big sample sizes? The two have very similar stats in some key areas. Much like these 'alleged' bots in this thread have with their insanely high bet v missed cb stat (potting air 3way with a shortstack in hand on flop, also very high turn/river vMCB) and their aggression on paired/lockdown boards. They play a bit wider preflop, a bit tighter with 3bets, but all other accusations seem to hold true (albeit in my very small sample size). Not to mention they fall into the same SN habits, correct capitalization of words followed by numbers/etc. If anyone can contribute a larger hand sample I would love to see it.

Has anyone called the police yet?

i would hope that nobody is wasting the police's time with this, considering that this trainwreck of a thread/OP hasn't come anywhere close to providing convincing evidence that any of the accounts in question are bots, colluding, or doing anything untoward

what are the suspect accounts by OP ? Somehow can't/be asked to find them =)

i have 110k hands of Ragtime84 and 95K of HappyTiger8 , i sent one email to winner poker for possible colution from boths players before read this thread and i can say this : they are bots 90% sure , their stats are extremely same, here a picture with the stats.

i doubt there exists bots that are sophisticated enough to beat 50PLO online