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02-05-2010, 02:47 PM
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#151
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2010 WSOP November 9er
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,255
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
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Originally Posted by geormiet
I haven't posted on 2p2 in a long time but the topic resonates with me, so I'll tell my story. Maybe some will find it interesting or helpful.
My original plan was to be a professional cello player, and if that were to fail (very competitive business) I would become an engineer. I hated the idea of being an engineer, but I was extremely risk averse and needed a backup plan.
I discovered poker at 23, and I have been playing professionally and making over 6 figures/yr for the past 5 years. About 1.5 years ago, however, I hit a wall. The feeling that what I was doing was meaningless became overwhelming. I had constant fears about looking back on my life when I was 50, and see a life of browsing 2p2 and playing poker 20 hours a week and doing nothing else. I had saved up a decent nest egg (not enough for retiring, but enough to make me richer than anyone I knew at my age) but that was my only accomplishment.
Since then I've been working to get my life in motion. I traveled Europe for 2 months, I went to NYC to play in the youtube symphony, i finished cooking school, and started working at a restaurant full time. I finally have goals outside of earning money, and I'm feeling like I'm accomplishing something for the first time in 6 years. It feels great. One stress right I do have now is the guilt associated with not earning money from poker. I'm taking a complete break from the game right now but I will think about doing it on a part time basis in the future.
Poker is a terrible way to spend a LIFE, even if you are a winning player. If you can use poker to your advantage, then do, but don't define yourself by poker.
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Nice post and story. The great news about having made money from poker is that you now have the freedom to do what you want with your life. Sounds pretty great to me.
Unless you have very low living expenses and never plan on having a family, you will need money in your life. If nothing else, to allow the people you love to be comfortable and pursue their dreams. I view money as something that allows me to buy the freedom to do what I want with my life. I am hoping that poker will allow me to do this.
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02-05-2010, 02:59 PM
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#152
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: In a poker retirement home.
Posts: 2,179
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
I woke up on my Temperpedic Mattress today, in my house, at 6pm. I proceeded to have breakfast consisting of bison meatballs, chicken mole poblano, rice, and coffee & ancho rubbed steak which was cooked by my personal chef yesterday while I was sleeping. I watched "Before the Jersey Shore" or something on MTV while eating on a comfortable couch in front of a 55" TV.
Man, this sucks. I would much rather have gotten up at 7am to get ready to begin my commute. It would be really cool to have a boss who doesn't appreciate me. Why would I want to stay home when I could do the 9-5 routine of paperwork and promoting synergy?
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You sound fat and lazy. At least mentally.
Didn't your mother ever tell you to go outside and enjoy life with the rest of the kids instead of playing video games inside all day?
Playing cards for a living... LOL.
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02-05-2010, 03:33 PM
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#153
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Michelle Beadle Fan Club
Posts: 4,220
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by Cactus Cactus
In 2005 I made $450,000 and YES i paid taxes on it. and in 2006 I made $550,000 and YES i paid taxes on it.
I don't play as much, but I think if I did I would probably do $100,000.
I am completely unemployable as I have not had a job in 6 years. Get out of this career. It's boring (after a while) and you feel useless
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So how much of that $1mm did you really get ?
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02-05-2010, 03:45 PM
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#154
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 207
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
From the people who "say" they are doing well here, i'd like to hear more about whether their success came from continual cash game grinding...or did they just do incredibly well in a one/a few big tourney(s) like FTOPS, Sunday million,etc...
Its an intriguing read so far...hopefully there's a few true stories at least
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02-05-2010, 03:46 PM
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#155
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newbie
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 25
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
Working a 9-5 job is a ****ty life!!!
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02-05-2010, 03:53 PM
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#156
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: but how do i flop sets get paid??
Posts: 3,617
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by Jamsym1
you're pretty stupid to assume that because i don't agree on king of the hill im a bumhunter. I play regs all the time. Ive played in tough games at 25/50 and up to 100/200 etc. You know nothing about me and make stupid remarks.
If you spent less time trolling forums and played more poker maybe you could get past the micro sit and goes...
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humbunter
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02-05-2010, 04:00 PM
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#157
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: VERIFIED COOCH
Posts: 2,911
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
Life is great as a pro.
Take a 3 month vacation if you need to.
Or even if you don't need to.
You're your own boss for ****'s sake.
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02-05-2010, 04:22 PM
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#158
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Santa Cruz, Bolivia
Posts: 814
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by waaaaaaaaahhh
waaaaaaaaahhh
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don't you have any better to doż?
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02-05-2010, 04:24 PM
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#159
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Land of the fee, home of the slave.
Posts: 1,430
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by JulioCalzadilla
don't you have any better to doż?
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irony?
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02-05-2010, 04:39 PM
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#160
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 467
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
I felt like I had to make a post to add my 2 cents here and share some of my experience as well.
At first I thought poker would have to be the most awesome job in the world like a lot of the player's out there who dream about going pro. It would be filled with freedom (not so much if your a mtt player but I play cash games), a great amount of cash each year, and I would be able to have it all by just playing cards. Now this is all generally true if you are a winning player and these are pretty much the main upsides to playing poker for a living. However, now I can see that poker can either lead to an extremely gratifying life or a ****ty one as the OP has encountered.
When your on your own as a pro, you often can have a very isolated lifestyle. Where most people go to work and speak with coworkers or bosses everyday, a poker player only answers to himself and has no one to deal with during his work. Furthermore, if you happen to be single, it can be very difficult to be able to go out and meet girls since you will not have the social circle that most people develop from work. So this mainly leaves one with the option of picking girls up at bars or clubs, internet dating, or through friends. However I find it can take a lot of work to go through the motions when your on a bad downswing. On a side note, having a girlfriend though helps a lot as just having someone there to share your thoughts and feelings whether your on a upswing or downswing is nice and the constant support is something that is priceless.
Another problem with playing professionally is a lot of player's cant motivate themselves to put in the hands year after year. It does get boring at times just like any other job when you do the same thing over and over again. Sometimes it IS a grind, sometimes its very hard to want to fire up some tables, so its important to try to think about all the positive things about poker and how it beats a lot working a lot of other jobs out there in order to stay motivated and focused.
And then there's players who are always worried about making money because when they're not at the tables they are thinking that they could be at the tables making money instead of going to a club to try and meet women or going to meet up with family, etc... It takes a very special person to be able to handle the highs and the lows that come with playing for a living as it can be an emotional rollercoaster and one has to be very strong mentally.
Of course not all players are like this and some only have a one issue rather than all of the above but I can see a lot of players getting trapped into a lifestyle where they just constantly spend their time trying to make money playing poker. They aren't motivated enough to look after the other areas of their lives and sometimes it is hard to stop playing poker & making money in order to invest a large deal of time into something that will potentially increase their happiness in other facets of their lives.
These factors often leads to why some people feel the poker lifestyle is ****ty I believe but really its not the lifestyle that is the problem, so much as the person. With poker, you have the freedom to pursue anything that you want to do. If you are feeling unfulfilled, then go find something that makes you feel good and there shouldn't be anything holding you back; no financial issues, no boss, no worries about vacation time. You really can do, whatever you want to do. The only thing thats left to figure out is what that is.
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02-05-2010, 04:44 PM
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#161
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 688
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by ac on
humbunter
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Life sucks when you hate bumhunters so much and still can't afford to play them even if they want to, heh?
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02-05-2010, 05:00 PM
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#162
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 537
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
No matter what you do, balance will help. Too much of anything is a bad thing. Tis a true statement. You have the option of doing something REWARDING in addition to your easy (for you) job.
No matter how much you make, everyone can make time. Volunteer, stake someone, employ some people, do something you find rewarding.
Paint, write books, travel, teach, learn ... it's good to have options, yes? Sometimes deciding is this hardest part when you have too many options.
I may be focused on Poker a lot right now, and enjoy the challenge, but it's certainly not all I want to do. As I am able to, I will make time for writing and composing music, writing books, programming, reading, traveling.. the list goes on.
Find out what else you can balance your life with that is rewarding, and you may find reason to love your job again. Or will find a better one.
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This is quite true. The more of your time an activity takes up, the easier it is to get burned out on it. You have to decide why you are doing something in order to have a chance at being at peace with it. If you can't find enough things about poker that you like, you would probably be better off exploring alternatives. If what you say is true, you should have more than enough money to make that feasible.
No job/pursuit is perfect, but it is worthwhile to explore until you find one that offers you enough satisfaction and enjoyment so that you can be a happy and fulfilled person. After a while, you just might find that poker and a mixture of other non-paying activities fits that bill.
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02-05-2010, 05:03 PM
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#163
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 427
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
OP suck at the pokerz
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02-05-2010, 05:17 PM
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#164
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: drinking in a saloon
Posts: 10,997
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a ****ty life
lots of wisdom itt
aspiring and current pros should read and take notes.
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02-05-2010, 05:20 PM
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#165
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 138
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Re: Playing poker professionally is a $hitty life
RelaxedPrecision,
The beginning brings us to the end, where the beginning always starts with a single step. So many of your steps have brought you to a place where you did not want to be. You have realized this now and again you find yourself in a place where you did not belong. You, I and others always end up seeking out the place where we want to be. Let the natural and supernatural forces guide us and we will always be right where we belong based on who we are at that moment.
The present leads to the end. Life happens in between.
The end result of our lives is so heavily influenced by our free will which contains the power to create our reality, in essence our lives. When our free will turns in a direction that is counter to our being and our reason for existing then we will cease to have control over the events that make up what we call our life.
Live in the natural but also exist in the supernatural where the mind yields the to the power of our thoughts where we will become, we must become what we think about. The natural protection that we are born with overtime can diminish when our thinking is outside of us and not within.
Supernatural protection has left you at the very times that you sought to harm others. Willfully attacking others at the natural or supernatural level will create openings for you to come under attack from the physical and spiritual beings that were your target. You have become the target.
Move back into the natural state of being, stop the doing and let the existence of the forces that conspire around you do what they were sent to do. Be. Do not do. Just be.
zep
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
I agree with the above.
To OP: If you think that making 6 figures playing poker is ****ty, you don't know what ****ty is.
I lost my job and I've been living in my car for 6 months, getting harassed by the police, having people try to break into my car while I'm inside of it, pissing and ****ting in public places. For 3 months I was unable to work because I tripped out from some prescription meds and was on the verge of killing myself multiple times.
And I'm not even complaining because I know a lot of other people have it way worse.
The bible says that those who are humble shall be lifted up, and those who are prideful will fall. It's true. Humble yourself.
Challenge yourself to volunteer with children, the homeless. Scrub toilets for 10 hours a day. Take a job where you have to wait on other people and take orders. Better to humble yourself, than to be humbled by God. Focus on challenging yourself to grow spiritually rather than just focusing on making $. When you are wealthy it's easy to fall into a routine and get spiritually empty because you feel like you don't need God. Your life feels ****ty because you think it's all about you. It's not, it's about what you do for others.
Sadly, if you are like most people, only when you've experienced hardship such as death of loved ones, life threatening illness, been imprisoned, or experienced complete and total financial ruin will you be able to appreciate what you have. God bless.
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Last edited by zeppy; 02-05-2010 at 05:35 PM.
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