Player trying to sue pokerstars (and eventually drops case - KM) - Page 16 - Poker News

[Phill] · 08-13-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure_Talent

the notion that Stars is going to seize 1.2 million bucks over a tourney score that was 'shadowed' by someone else is way past hypocritical.

As good as their 'customer service' is and how we all rave about what a great site they are...they are still lending an unsupervised hand laundering millions of dollars every week and thats a fact

What IS a fact is you have no idea what the term "fact" means. Unless you are admitting to laundering millions of dollars every week through Stars then this is not a "fact, but in fact is an "opinion".

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Originally Posted by erizos17

Someone probably already mentioned this but didn't Noah Boeken once won the sunday million on Marcel Luske's account? Instead of losing the prize money he got a sponsorship though. I guess there's different tournament rules for different people. I guess all the void had to do was tell everyone it was her brother playing instead of her but then again i dont think anyone knew who she was so who would care? Probably noone. Its kinda ridiculous in my opinion to lose 1.2 mil because someone else was playing in the account. I'm pretty sure 90% of the people in here have done it at least once and you can deny it all you want.

At the time that Noah won the tourney they had didnt have this rule:

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Originally Posted by Ed P. Furlong, Esq

I think they have some weird rule about only playing one account per tournament.

and a linked rule of if you play in a tourney on one account you cannot play on another when you bust.

So there was nothing against their T of S that he broke, but they tightened the rules afterwards. Whilst i dont love what Noah did before hand, he did nothing wrong in the rules and so got a pass.

Again, this is not that her brother went deep and then it was found he was in charge so they DQed him. Im pretty sure its not even against the rules for someone else to play your account if you have a good reason (like couldnt play cos your child was sick or whatever else). But Mark Telscher had at least two accounts in that tourney, the one he controls and his sisters, and if memory serves when this first broke someone with friends in Stars said he had other accounts in it as well.

THEFLY____21 · 08-13-2008, 11:11 AM

How did they know it was her brother playing the account?

Cruzincat · 08-13-2008, 11:55 AM

If you are honest with Stars up front they can be accomodating. I had an account a few years ago that went down to $.04 and I couldn't do anything with it so I just walked away and stayed away so long I forgot the password. Before the VOID incident, I opened another account just to play with play money and take shots at freerolls.

A couple months ago I sent Stars support an email about the situation, so I would not get caught up in any future issues regarding multi-accounting. They thanked me for my candor, closed my original account and even shipped the $.04 into my new account. I have sinced deposited a small amount and am currently trying to grind it into something larger, paying rake along the way. Honesty can be a win win situation.

WutRUTryin2Hit · 08-13-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure_Talent

the notion that Stars is going to seize 1.2 million bucks over a tourney score that was 'shadowed' by someone else is way past hypocritical.

As good as their 'customer service' is and how we all rave about what a great site they are...they are still lending an unsupervised hand laundering millions of dollars every week and thats a fact

Breaking news: NVGtard has the inside scoop and solid numbers on online money laundering. Stay tuned for more facts and inappropriate quotation marks.

fatshaft · 08-13-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure_Talent

Poker Stars hypocrisy knows no bounds

the system is set up to virtually encourage multiple accounts. No 'initial deposit' is necessary. You could pick the name of a friend or co-worker, register an account in their name...receive a player transfer and win thousands of dollars...transfer to trusted friends...and player (x) would never have even been notified.

Trust me I know because I have been exploiting this loophole for 2 years now and managed to get literally thousands of dollars offline with no trace to me.

The entire player to player transfer system in place is a hot bed for money laundering activity and the verification process for accounts is a joke.

I think you miss the point of P2P transfers. If someone is being investigated for money laundering offences, when the police force (or whoever) investigating go to Stars, and ask where player 'x' got his money from, they can easily see through P2P transfers where the funds came from or went to. It may be a hot bed of ML activity, but the point of ML is to LAUNDER, if it's all traceable, then it's not exactly laundered is it?

**venice10** · 08-13-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed P. Furlong, Esq

I think they have some weird rule about only playing one account per tournament.

Here's the rules for tournament play at Stars.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/

The appropriate sections are below.

21. With trivial exceptions, a player may play on only one account during a tournament and may not "hand off" his seat in mid-event to a different player. Violation of this rule may result in penalties ranging from a warning, to disqualification from the tournament (with partial or full forfeiture of winnings), to barring from PokerStars.

Examples:

1. You get a phone call during a PokerStars tournament. You ask your husband, who has already busted out of that tournament, to play your hands for you. You are on the phone for ten minutes and then resume play. This is permitted.
2. You and a friend are playing in the same tournament. You agree that if he busts out before you do, he will take over playing your account. This is prohibited.
3. You are playing in a tournament and lose power in your home due to a failure of your power station. You call a friend and he takes over until your power is returned. This is permitted.
4. Your husband is out of town for the weekend, but gives you his password. You log into both his account and yours and play both accounts in the same tournament. This is prohibited.
5. You have progressed to the final few tables of a tournament and somebody offers you cash equity for your seat. You allow the other player to sign into your account, or you continue to finish the tournament following the explicit instructions given by him. This is prohibited.

22. In case of disputes, PokerStars management decision will be final.

It is pretty clear.

As to how they were caught, my guess is that they did something stupid like try to transfer $500,000 or more between the accounts.

Finally, I believe Stars would be happy to have any reliable information on someone who is multi-accounting and shut that down.

DesertCat · 08-13-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

In the UK (don't know about the Isle of Man or whether it falls under the general UK system), the loser-pays rule means that if you file a case and later dismiss it voluntarily, you have to pay the defendant's costs of defense -- in other words, a withdrawal is a loss. In commercial courts in the UK, this principle works (as I understand it) on a claim-by-claim basis -- so if I sue you for both fraud and breach of contract, then withdraw my fraud claim on the eve of trial, you get your defense costs for the fraud claim.

What a great system to cut down on nuisance suits. The U.S. system is built to allow legalized harassment.

[Phill] · 08-13-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by venice10

SNIP

As to how they were caught, my guess is that they did something stupid like try to transfer $500,000 or more between the accounts.

Finally, I believe Stars would be happy to have any reliable information on someone who is multi-accounting and shut that down.

After the tournament finished, and after all major tourneys are finished (like the Sunday Million) the site investigated everyone who cashed in the event.

Everyone else was cleared but TheV0id was caught in the net.

Quite what method they used to prove cheating etc i obv dont know (i would guess IP addresses and action timing), but its definitely worth noting that everyone who cashes a large MTT on Stars is investigated.

08-13-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by venice10

1. You get a phone call during a PokerStars tournament. You ask your husband, who has already busted out of that tournament, to play your hands for you. You are on the phone for ten minutes and then resume play. This is permitted.
2. You and a friend are playing in the same tournament. You agree that if he busts out before you do, he will take over playing your account. This is prohibited.
3. You are playing in a tournament and lose power in your home due to a failure of your power station. You call a friend and he takes over until your power is returned. This is permitted.
4. Your husband is out of town for the weekend, but gives you his password. You log into both his account and yours and play both accounts in the same tournament. This is prohibited.
5. You have progressed to the final few tables of a tournament and somebody offers you cash equity for your seat. You allow the other player to sign into your account, or you continue to finish the tournament following the explicit instructions given by him. This is prohibited.

ROFL

puhhhhleeeeeeeeez

TheManDan · 08-13-2008, 05:25 PM

watched the wcoop for 20 hrs - i want that time back v0id

OodaThunkett · 08-13-2008, 06:13 PM

iomtoday

EDIT: Not that it adds much.