Andy Bloch is one such person.
86'd for being part of the MIT blackjack team.
Exception made for poker

Ben Affleck is another such person. He was famously barred from playing blackjack at the Hardrock, but was cordially invited to enjoy the other games the casino offers.

Why do you get barred from the casino for counting cards?
If a casino offers a game that can be played +EV, they should stop making that game available? I get a lot of big losers play very -EV so they want to keep it. But they could just stop taking card counters action or if they want to play restrict them to the same betsize the whole shoe. But roughing them up and barring them from all casinos on suspicion of card counting always seemed so lol to me.

It's not just the card counting that got him thrown out of Horseshoe. If you are asked to leave a casino and pitch a fit, you shouldn't come back and aggravate everyone again and expect to be treated kindly.



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What about coming back a 3rd through 15th time and aggravating everyone? Surely during one of the dozen times the police and security are escorting you off the premises you could convince how unfairly you're being treated.

...but my match play...


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^^^^
A few years ago at the Wynn I was counting at a $100 Min table (and using a hi-low system with a side count for 8s, 9s, 5s, and Aces) when a Manager came up to me and dropped the book "Knockout Blackjack" in front of my chips (I had not read it) before saying, "We'd love you to take your skills to any other table in this casino as long as they aren't dealing blackjack on it."

I have respected that request ever since and have never had a problem entering or partaking of their non-blackjack offerings. It's not hard.

Exactly. Purposely playing stupid with the match play excuse is BS. Like I said, he also went light on describing his own behavior.


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exactly.whether you think it's right or wrong to be banned for card counting if you do get caught just leave. don't be dick, don't be an arrogant prick and don't draw extra attention to yourself like this guy. counting cards is easy- what's hard is getting away with it and continuing to get action. he thinks he's special bc he can count cards and play poker but he has zero common sense.

if you get caught card counting most places are just gonna ban you from blackjack at first. if you keep antagonizing them they'll ban you from everything.no big deal if it's some independant **** hole casino. but a big deal if you wanna play wsop events and you're dumb enough to get banned at cesar's properties.

How can card counting even be a thing anymore when from a 6 or 8 deck shoe the cut card is placed so that about 2 decks are unplayed? Even single or doubledeck, aren't enough cards kept out of play that counting isn't such a threat anymore?

Online, if you play against proven cheats you get a refund of the money you were cheated out of.

If you were knocked out by this guy - knocked out by a guy who was not even allowed to play - surely you should be entitled to at least a refund of the $10000 entry.

lots of places still cut deep into 6 and 8 deck shoes.

the places cutting off 2 decks on 6 deck shoes are run by idiots cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Just no

You make adjustments for the total number of decks used, that's all. Where the cut card is placed just limits how long a condition favorable for the player (if it presents itself) can last before the shoe runs out.

Best conditions I ever played in the last 10 was a 2-deck game at the Luxor, all cards at table but dealer's hole card were face up, split up to four times (including Aces), 3 to 2 on blackjack, surrender, and double any two cards. It was the golden age and shall likely never been seen again. Sad.

In that case it is a hell of a bad beat, losing to a guy who wasn't supposed to play.

No it's not.

But aren't these people read the trespass act and told not to come back on any of the properties? So how are they able to play in the WSOP? Do people just register for events and they simply don't care enough to enforce the bans?

Are you a professional BJ player? Very intriguing stuff whenever I hear of counters.

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No. As part of __________, I would wire money from non-resident jurisdictions as front money to multiple casinos during the same stay. I would then reduce the "transactional costs" of getting the money out of the cage through play after drawing markers by counting cards using the "Silver Fox" hi-low method in conjunction with accurate side counts for 5s, 8s, 9s, and Aces (and adjusting my play by surrendering, doubling 8s, or playing multiple spots when the deck was Ace rich, for example, when appropriate). I did this for near a decade with consistent success until I was prevented from doing so at enough places that we changed tactics and started using sports bets on the same games and the beauty of "middling" instead.

It was a great time and, because I had an edge, I able to play at some very big stakes with big names who became friendly and, in so doing, gave me a type of cover that I would not otherwise have had (I remember playing at Binions for a near 6 hour stretch once and had two counters kicked off my table while I was doing the same for minimum bets probably 5 times theirs). Comps were great back then too.

This is the reason why casinos scare me. They are out to get the common man

How is that a bad beat? If you won the chips from that player you wouldn't have them taken from you once he was discovered to not supposed to be playing.

Well, I'm sure you know what he means. Like in this case we've probably seen or at least heard about. A guy sits and table 239 in the Main, ravages the table, accumulates quite a bit, then Floor discovers "whoa dude, you're supposed to be at Table 238, not 239" as correct player for 239 is trying to take his seat. It just sucks if you lost a lot of chips (or all of them) to a guy who wasn't even supposed to be at your table (due to sloppy dealer not really checking Dealer Copy slips).

There's a difference between playing a clear cheat who has somehow gained an unfair advantage over you (marking cards, collusion, whatever), and playing someone fairly who shouldn't have been able to play for technical reasons. You were not placed at any disadvantage in the actual game play facing this guy, so no refund is due.

Same thing happens online; if you lose money to an underage player, you don't get a refund on any site I know of, because that person (who should not have been playing) did not have any unfair game play advantage over you.

lol i generally hate siding with casinos for just about anything but it's really hard to argue with this

It's pretty difficult to earn yourself a trespass (if you're not a bum).

If you're doing something like card counting, the casino is more than likely to ask you to change your behavior, then ask you to change your behavior again, then ask you to stop playing before giving you a trespass.

A very large portion of people who are told to stop counting cards simply stop counting cards. A very large portion of people who are invited to go play a different game simply go play another game.

I personally would allow counting in my casinos by small and midstakes players because most don't know how to do it properly and most can't withstand the downswings.

The vast majority of players are staked for 10 or fewer decisions. Anyone who's played bj has experienced standing on a 20 and still losing. So there are clearly situations where the player should have an advantage -even more than you get from counting- but loses anyways. The house is banked to withstand this type of bad luck... players are not.