sucks they dont say why

I'm not sure exactly what his issues are but it basicly seems like he's not very bright or really really belligerent or just a mental health thing, odd situation.

Except he can't claim that he thought he was only banned at one casino when he himself said he was told it was for all properties...

Any chips you have are your property and there is no way the casino can confiscate them. The usual procedure here would be for security to escort you to the cage, do the cash out, and then escort you to the door.

Apparently this guy can count really well. Problem is he can't ****ing read.

Giving your middle name as your last name is a fake name.

Casino chips are not your property. Not cash game chips, not tournament chips. You pay money to receive chips to play with at a casino, but those chips don't belong to you. Try pocketing a tournament chip and see how that goes.

The casino can obviously confiscate tournament chips, as seen multiple times. There are several threads in NVG about players being disqualified from events who had their chips taken out of play.

Kid is an idiot. He'd been asked to leave at least 3x prior, and at least 2x the police had to get involved. He was ejected from 2 tournaments mid-tournament and had to fight to get his buy-in refunded.

Sucks that he's losing his $10k but I don't think they're under any obligation to return it. Terrible play by the kid to even enroll. I don't know why we're calling him a kid - we know from his timeline of events that he's at least 25 - old enough to know better.

That sucks for the people who's chips those would've been.
I'd be mad if someone who wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament knocked me out


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Probably a reason Caesars would like this whole thing to be hush hush and forgotten, it raises whole host of issues, like the one you described.

Not really on a par with this story that Caesars would like to be forgotten:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-s...rance-watanabe (2013)

"According to some reports, and Mr. Watanabe's lawyer, Caesars allowed Mr. Watanabe to play while clearly intoxicated and some reports say that they gave him painkillers to stay at the tables.

Other reports say that the company looked the other way when Mr. Watanabe made sexual advances towards female employees.

Why would Caesars allow such behavior to continue? According to casino records, Mr. Watanabe lost a staggering $204 million across the Rio and Caesars casinos in the course of the year.

While not much of his losses were technically in poker, the total amount was an astounding 5.6 percent of the company's revenues for the year -- money that ultimately flowed into the World Series of Poker brand....

Back in March of [2013] the New Jersey Gaming Control Board fined Caesars Entertainment Corp $225,000 for not stepping in to take action in the case of Mr. Watanabe.

The fine was a bit curious considering that the activity occurred in Las Vegas. However, the company does have several properties in the Atlantic City area and the NJGCB felt that Caesars' conduct "might reflect on the reputation of the state of New Jersey.”

A $10K buy in refund claim by a guy who had been 86'd and then snuck into the tournament under a deceptive name is not something about which they would worry too much publicity-wise.

$225k fine for skinning a $200M+ whale, what a joke.

Sorry I guess I wasn't clear. I was responding to a question re chips for roulette, blackjack etc. Tournament chips may indeed be different.

Isn't this the same guy who posted a YouTube video or something, thinking that the "negative publicity" would somehow convince CET to change their minds and lift his original ban? I know plenty of former card counters who were previously 86'd and continue to play at the WSOP year after year without incident. His problem was his arrogance--posting videos and threads with his real name and face out there, returning to the properties over and over and causing scenes, fighting the original ban, threatening legal action--this is all the exact opposite of staying under the radar. Of course he's not going to be able to keep dodging surveillance after all that, especially in the last few days of the WSOP main event.

All he had to do was walk out quietly the FIRST time he was 86'd, lay low for like 3-4 years (that means not using a rating card for anything), then maybe try the get-a-new-card with a slightly different name thing. Although that probably doesn't work anyway since these days they scan your drivers license when you sign up for a card, so I'm sure his info got flagged that way. Sure they could have taken him out of the first tourney he registered in, but he pissed them off so they waited to inflict maximum pain (also probably as an example to anyone else who might be thinking about breaking their rules). Casinos like to fight dirty, and they're pretty good at winning.

Those chips are not your property either. The casino hands them to you in exchange for money and guarantees that they will exchange them back at a later time if the person who initially got them from the casino, asks them to and if there are no other reasons not to exchange them back.

Fun read about the topic:
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2007/ma...ger-good-cash/

Interesting but not really to the point. If the chips were won at the tables, then the way I read the article is that the casino is indeed obligated to pay them.

I've been a GM and higher casino executive for a long time and I don't think we fight dirty. If anything it's the opposite. Losing a few grand (or more) to a card counter or somebody who's straight up cheating is peanuts compared to the investigations and fines levied by the regulators.

I think the "dirty tactics" and "intimidation" complaints come from overreaction on the part of front line employees, supervisors and mangers. A lot of people are just *******s. It doesn't matter if it's a casino or a Verizon store, if you walk in trying to get an edge and are an ******* about it, that's what you're going to get back from the employee.

The security supervisor in Baltimore referenced by the kid in his post? That's a $15/hr employee right there. I'm willing to bet the kid was an ******* to him and others, and now there in a pissing contest. The security then went out of his way to make it so the kid couldn't come back.

I've met tons of people trying to get an edge somehow or another, usually not permitted by whatever policy. A lot of those people, when caught, are really nice about it and have a fun attitude. I guarantee most of those guys are not getting permabanned from a nationwide corporate chain of casinos.

I remember reading that original thread as it happened, and I really wanted this to be the case.

No one posts that many times how they did nothing wrong, combined with his general obliviousness, without doing a colossal amount of things wrong and pissing everyone off. Everything said made it sound like he'd probably just irated the **** out of dozens of people. All of whom had the power to just write 'no' somewhere and make it permanent out of spite

How are they able to do this?

This is actually the normal case. Typically card counters are only barred from playing blackjack.

LOL sums up the article.

He must have felted a few players that took time, travel, effort and hoped for at least some fun at the main event. That's too bad for them. They have one up bad beat story, oh yeah well I got knocked out by...

Interestingly, it looks like he has a few cashes with the fake name, including the Main Event last year: http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...55.1477881378#

Might as well fine Ivey $200 for winning flips4rollz against ziggy when he was pissed.

Honestly I'm okay with it. It's pretty clear Caesars is willing to make amends with card counters as long as they take the proper steps. This guy chose not to go that route and paid for it.