Hi everyone,

On March 11th, PokersStars stopped offering NLHE and PLO deep ante tables at stakes of $10/$20 and below. For many of us, it was sad and disappointing news.

I’ve decided to create this a petition in an attempt to get PokerStars to bring back deep ante tables at all stakes.

Deep stacked no limit poker is one of the most complex and challenging varieties of the game. All-in confrontations are limited which means you are forced to play all three streets.

Deep stacked poker allows more room to play instead of finding yourself in the position where you have to shove and pray to the poker gods. This makes deep stacked poker favour skill over luck, and therefore less variance.

Deep stacked poker games are also more fun to play, due to the action and huge pots.

Long story short - deep stacked poker is what separates men from boys.

This is a very popular version of no limit poker, played by both regulars and recreational players. Unfortunately, PokerStars has decided to remove this format because "This change is part of our commitment to improving and simplifying the recreational player experience". There is nothing that can prove this to be true. Even if it was, the recreational players have a choice - deep or standard. It's their choice.

Here are a few reasons why they need to bring this format back:

- It's the ultimate cash game poker experience which is not offered by the biggest poker site in the world.

- There are many players, both recreational and regular, that only play deep stacked poker.

- These tables were the least affected by seat scripting and the so called "bumhunting".

- This change will probably affect recreational players more as they enjoy action and big pots.

- This format has been televised in popular poker shows like "High Stakes Poker", "Poker After Dark" and even PokerStars' own show - "The Big Game". Why do they not televise 100b standard cash games? Because they are not as exciting to watch or play.

- PokerStars is abusing its power because they hold a monopoly and they expect us, the players, to play the games they want us to play.

Please sign the petition as soon as possible if you agree that PokerStars should bring back deep stacked cash games.

To sign, follow this link: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/b...eep-cash-games

Thanks.

I used to play a lot of deep stack omaha, at 0.05/0.10, it was regular to see $400 stacks there. And now you get this http://prntscr.com/alpxd7 table just with antes. Disgusting.

Signed.

Maybe PokerStars would only be interested in bring these tables back if you cared enough that you would be willing to pay a higher rake to play at tables with non-standard rules.

These tables were genuinely bad for recs and removing them was a positive step.

Petition? Great idea.
0% of the time, they work every time.

OP knows this and thats why he wants them back (he liked his wr), not cause of his other bull**** reasons

This is the best argument for current Amaya management to keep them away from lobby. Recs' negative winrate is even bigger. Rakecap is same whether it is 100bb or 250bb deep. My guess is that the reason they left ante tables with 100bb is probably because you hit rake cap faster with antes in play.

^^this im sure strs bring all that months petitions to there monthly review and LOL at them

INB4 Borg35 posting 20 times that 'Pokerstars doesn't owe people a living'

Pokerstars... I am likely going home, to New Jersey.




In Florida and about to move home, because you 'built it',...

And I believe I can play, nyc bnullets told me im halfway decent...

lol #2016 online poker... sad state of affairs

OP everything you say about deep stacked poker is true which is exactly why they removed it.
The rake cap will be hit long before the river and deep stacked poker cleans out fish faster.Since these things don't benefit stars they took it out.

Hhaha is borg35 my cousin?

Nah I gave my response already.

I see your 2+2 account date is 3 years old yet you haven't mentioned a word about the other 20 groups of players that have taken a shafting in the past few years.

buy plane ticket to Las Vegas in June


you have action, go to Bellagio

Long story shorter: Amaya wants to keep the boys.

this **** is funny, what made u think they care after what happened in the past 6month?

for once I wish I reg would come on here. start their petition for Stars to do XYZ and just be honest with their reason for the change.

Example.

I want stars to do XYZ so I can make more money.

honesty is the best policy.

of course that's why the op wants deeper stacked games and why other regs want other things. everything else they mention is hyperbole- same as the bs stars spews about whatever they're doing.both sides want more money.

I do get the fact that they want to keep their recreational players. However, these players a choice, they're not forced to play any specific format.

As PTLou said, I do admit that the main reason why I want Stars to bring these games back is so I can make more money. I think that's obvious from my first post.

The shorter the stack, the less edge you have. That's common sense. Judging by their current strategy, they will continue to alter the game in order to increase variance, and hence help lesser players. It's like changing the rules in football just to suit your favourite team and give them an edge.

thats whats wrong with people , you dont back each other up. everyone will lose with this status quo mentality of their a business and they have the right to rape us . your the player and your not exercising yours . but most of you are losing players who are bitter and i get it. but whats good for the goose is still good for the gander.


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

the time to speak out was 5 month ago

True but were already at the last stages now.

1) First it was the affiliates, they stole a bunch of lifetime earnings from them by changing the rules. Instead of getting lifetime revenues from people you signed up the affiliates were reduced to a 2 year max payout.

No one cared though because fk affiliates they are just another rake from the community right.

2) Then it was Supernova elites, they had an agreement which stated the program was a 2 year program, people literally shaped there whole life around achieving this because the rewards were worth say $100k the following year. Some people lost $50k+ playing in -ev games in order to secure elite status and re coup that money.

No one cared though because fk supernova elites, them lame rb pros just make the game nittier with there 24 tabling and HUDS! its not even real poker....

3) Next was no rakeback for 5/10+ games. Apparently these games cost stars too much too run because of cashouts/deposits being so large etc. What they really meant was they hated seeing a whale lose $1mil while only paying $2k in rake.

Hey fk them highstakes guys tho, they are all rich anyway, we will never get to that level so whatever. Might make the fish play lower for us yay.

4) Remove all HU tables, cant have people winning money at HU, they dont pay enough rake! The winrates are too high! Nevermind the fact that it was KOTH and working well, lets just go and **** the community once again.

Whatever, all them HU bumhunters, sick of them winning money. If only they were gone my $1/2 6 max game would have so many more fish in them. HU just sucks money from the economy that i could win if they were forced to play in my games!

5) Increase rake in 6max and mtts, the final formats left that have attainable winrates. Now no one can profit long term at poker and we have all the net depositors money!

Oops

Removal of the deep ante games absolutely sucked, super fun games!

Sadly this petition is completely pointless, if you've been paying attention recently you'll know that Stars no longer care which games we enjoy and only care about their bottom line.

Petitions are pretty much always completely pointless.

This is true. However these things aren't in direct competition with each other. It's better to have 40% of a billion dollar business than to have 80% of a $100mil business.

If stars cut the range of games and stakes offered. They risk losing millions of customers aswell as their previously great brand name.

There seems to be a misconception amongst Stars management that they have some sort of inelastic demand on their product.

This is simply not true. If you say to all the millionaire fish they can only play 50c/1 and expect them to play 50million hands in order to lose their $2mil gambling money its not going to happen. Some net losers actually like playing certain formats and games.

If stars alienates these people by trying to 'protect' them, they will go from playing highstakes poker to something else.

Not only with the highstakes fish but with all poker players.

If you go to buy a car tommorow and you want a red car but the company says sorry we only sell yellow cars because we make more money on them. All that happens is people shop elsewhere to find the product they are looking for.

Its super shortsighted of stars to think that by narrowing the offerings and increasing rake that they will continue to achieve the same net deposits.

Sure they might retain 90% of net deposits this way, but instead of retaining 50% of say 5billion they are going to retain 90% of 1billion.