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08-07-2009 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Don't you only need two counts? One for the number. Then assign the suits numbers 1-4 and do a count for them. Unless I'm missing something this seems easy.
I'm guessing that Villain would be flipping through the decks as fast as possible.

Seeing each card for 1/3 second or whatever, it would be pretty tough to count 6 decks.

It was most likely a savant thing. I doubt he was counting at all, he just knew at the end. There were various other examples from Ungar's life and card playing.
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08-07-2009 , 11:51 PM
so being shy means your autistic now?
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08-08-2009 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Don't you only need two counts? One for the number. Then assign the suits numbers 1-4 and do a count for them. Unless I'm missing something this seems easy.
It is relatively easy. Can be even easier with suits assigned 0-3 or -1,0,1 and 2. Same kind of thing can be done with the card values.
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08-08-2009 , 12:49 AM
yeah, it's pretty simple. make like clubs -1 to -13, diamonds -14 to -26, hearts +1 to +13 and spades +14 to +26. whether someone is a favorite to keep track is another matter entirely, but the methodology is pretty easy.
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08-08-2009 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by craigmarq
Thats not how hes counting.
Link.

[x] too lazy to google
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08-08-2009 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by xaiviax
It is relatively easy. Can be even easier with suits assigned 0-3 or -1,0,1 and 2. Same kind of thing can be done with the card values.
I'd do it by giving each card it's own numerical value. 2c = 1, 2d = 2. This is pretty simple if you have written software involving cards. Most people naturally want to count in base 10, but this would be easier for someone that more naturally thinks in a base of 13 (bridge players).

I would think most people could do it with practice, but you could separate the skill levels by the time you see each card. Less than 1 second would be hard.
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08-08-2009 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
yeah, it's pretty simple. make like clubs -1 to -13, diamonds -14 to -26, hearts +1 to +13 and spades +14 to +26. whether someone is a favorite to keep track is another matter entirely, but the methodology is pretty easy.
There are lots of algorithms, it's funny how you wrote yours. Interesting how the mind works to solve same problems. Everyone different.

I was always finding the long ways to simple problems, and simple solutions to hard ones. My mind seriously blows up when factoring simple equations. I can't handle some things.
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08-08-2009 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
yeah, it's pretty simple. make like clubs -1 to -13, diamonds -14 to -26, hearts +1 to +13 and spades +14 to +26. whether someone is a favorite to keep track is another matter entirely, but the methodology is pretty easy.
There is blackjack computer software available to train you on any counting system you specify ...

... however, I don't think this implies that very many people would be able to master a count with good accuracy.

But this is exactly the type of thing an autist would be phenomenal at.
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08-08-2009 , 02:15 AM
K since my comment stirred so much discussion I figured I would explain it although bugstud pretty much has it (and a lot of others have no idea). Hate to take the discussion away from Peter Eastgate and his pending savant status but it is an interesting trick.

Let's just assume one deck for now. The easiest way to do it is to keep 1 count (so instead of a suit count and a face count just combine them) We need to assign each card a unique value 1-52. The easiest way to do this is to give each suit a value (alphabetical order is easiest)

Clubs - 0
Diamonds - 1
Hearts - 2
Spades - 3

Now to determine the value of the card multiply the suit number by 13 and add the face value of the card.

Ace - 1, Two - 2 ... Ten - 10, Jack - 11, Queen -12, King - 13.

Examples: Queen of hearts (2 * 13 + 12 = 38), 4 of clubs (0 * 13 + 4 = 4)
Ace of spades (3 * 13 + 1 = 40).

Step two is knowing the sum of all the values. The sum of all the numbers 1 to 52 is (52^2 + 52) / 2 = 1378.

So...finally
1. Flip each card over.
2. Add its value to the count.
3. When there is one card left compute 1378 minus the count.
4. Convert the result to figure out the card.


Anyone who can multiply two digit numbers in their head can do this, doing it quickly will take a little practice but overall it isn't hard. 6 decks is a trivial change from 1 deck it just takes longer.

I'm sure my explanation sucks so ask questions if needed.
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08-08-2009 , 02:19 AM
Wow just reread bugstuds post and realized his algorithm is way better and requires way less math. The highest the count would ever get would prob be like 150.
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08-08-2009 , 02:48 AM
I can't really take credit for it, I think ferguson mentioned it somewhere when all the "tricks" he can do came up in 2004 or whatever it was. It's pretty elegant

edit - suits are ordered as such since I play bridge. you could also do red/black or whatever for positive/negative
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08-08-2009 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
I can't really take credit for it, I think ferguson mentioned it somewhere when all the "tricks" he can do came up in 2004 or whatever it was. It's pretty elegant

edit - suits are ordered as such since I play bridge. you could also do red/black or whatever for positive/negative
Yeah this is where I first came up with the idea. I thought it was amazing that Ferguson could do it and then realized quickly there had to be a trick other than remembering 51 distinct cards so I developed the algorithm above but obv. his is much better/easier.
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08-08-2009 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RakeBackHore
lol fanboys

[ ] eastgate made a living of high stake cash games previous to the ME
[ ] You know alot about Eastgate obv.

He was playing 25/50+ HU and SH..
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08-08-2009 , 05:57 AM
There is no reason why a highly functioning autistic person wouldn't be able to be a very successful poker player.
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08-08-2009 , 07:03 AM
Is this confirmed by anyone that knows him??
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08-08-2009 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
I can't really take credit for it, I think ferguson mentioned it somewhere when all the "tricks" he can do came up in 2004 or whatever it was. It's pretty elegant

edit - suits are ordered as such since I play bridge. you could also do red/black or whatever for positive/negative
LOL

Ferguson didn't invent it. Any serious blackjack player knows that these sorts of counts have been around for at least 30 years. And that's just in print. Probably invented way before that. I'll bet Thorp knew this count back in the 50s.
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08-08-2009 , 08:04 AM
[ ] Ferguson claimed he invented.

[ ] I wanted to make a post with checkboxes to embarrass myself.
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08-08-2009 , 08:35 AM
well he folded trips against dwan. ******ed? maybe. autistic? nah
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08-08-2009 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
God damn it, I want there to be something wrong with me, so I have something to blame.

Is there a medical condition for somebody who's really smart and outgoing and funny, but basically ****s everything up and never succeeds at anything?

Kind of like the opposite of autism?
I think that's called "Being Suzzer"
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08-08-2009 , 08:55 AM
I thought ungar recalled every card in the shoe
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08-08-2009 , 09:01 AM
anyone ever heard of mutant savant?
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08-08-2009 , 09:18 AM
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well he folded trips against dwan.
To be fair, Barry called the flop aswell. Maybe if Barry wasn't behind him, he wouldn't have folded.
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08-08-2009 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by crowdrocka
As other posters have implied autism is a diagnosis that presents itself on a very wide spectrum. Males are 4 times more likely than females to be diagnosed with this disorder. Some of the most debilitating outcomes of the diagnosis include motor, and language learning difficulties. On the severe end of the spectrum, a person diagnosed with autism may have difficulty engaging in daily self care activities (i.e. bathing, dressing, feeding, etc.) requiring assistance to perform such tasks. There seems to be a correlation, that a person diagnosed with autism, will also have some sensory processing difficulties as well, making learning more difficult compared to the norm, thus setting obstacles in daily life, learning, and establishing strong social relationships. On the end of the spectrum (i.e Aspergers/high functioning), individuals diagnosed with mildly, or high functioning autism, at first glance typically look normal. Understanding social situations, and "acting" accordingly, is one the biggest challenges for people diagnosed with high functioning autism. A person with autism does not register and process socials cues such as facial features, and body gestures, as the norm would.

Unfortunately this is just the tip of the iceberg. The etiology of autism is unknown. There's speculation that it may be due to the ecological containments, and genetic implications (*a study in Europe suggests fathers over the age of 40 are more likely to have a child with austim). There is no "cure". Currently, it is believed early intervention, with a combination of stimulation, play, occupational, physical, speech and language therapy is the most effective treatment method. Often, an overlooked component, is the family dynamic; helping families, and caretakers truly understand and cope with the challenges and realities of having a child with autism.

Suggesting Peter Eastgate as mildly autistic is interesting. It can explain his rather stoic response when he won the ME as well as his usual demeanor at the table. However, if I'm not mistaken, I did see him crack a smile or two during the NBC heads up. If he is autistic, I would like to know what his personal challenges have been throughout his life, and how he has learned how to cope with them.

I apologize for this rant. I just find it personally disheartening when people jest about others with mental and social disorders.
werd. great post
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08-08-2009 , 12:04 PM
eastgate is far from the donk you all think imo he faired pretty well against galfond in the 5series hu on 100/200, i dont think he is a good 100/200 player but i can see him owning the 25/50's before the ME ship.
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08-08-2009 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888

Is there a medical condition for somebody who's really smart and outgoing and funny, but basically ****s everything up and never succeeds at anything?

Kind of like the opposite of autism?
According to autism expert Simon Baron-Cohen, these people exist and they are called "women".

The Essential Difference: Male And Female Brains And The Truth About Autism
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