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Originally Posted by Geniius
I think I disagree with the situation you brought up even more than the original situation. So there is a penalty for not calling 2k. What if it was 3k? 5k? 10k? What if BB only has 11k left, and calling and losing here means he would be all-in next hand regardless? This gray area is the size of Texas.
Sigh, I was hoping I wouldn't have to clarify any further than I did. This should be pretty obvious dude. My example should obviously assume that the BB has a lot of chips left, and that not spending 2k to eliminate a short stack 1 BB player is outrageous. Even if you yourself are somewhat short stacked, are you seriously going to fold a 50,000 chip pot to a 2,000 chip bet when you are guaranteed to see all 5 cards? If BB only has 11k left, then he is an idiot and should have got his money in earlier when it still mattered. But even so, with the purpose of tournaments to out last and eliminate other players, are you saying short stacks wouldn't take the inexpensive chance to eliminate other short stacks just because they themselves are a short stack? All of the eliminating needs to be done by the big stacks? Get real. Choosing not to call and potentially eliminate while getting an unconscionable price is absolutely outrageous REGARDLESS of how many chips you have. 25:1 on your money is beyond ATC, I would take that with just 1 card.
Obviously TDs won't be dishing out penalties all the time for this, and it is usually saved for the super small raise all in's (The 2k-5k into 50k). Hence why I said it was a "rare" scenario. As for your questions, would you fold a 50k chip pot to a 3k chip bet? Would you fold a 50k chip pot to a 5k bet? Even a 50k chip pot to a 10k chip bet is still getting 5:1 on your money with the added shot of moving up in pay outs, which should be ATC call against the shoving range. If you fold here I guess you are just an idiot then. But if you fold the 50k to a 2k, not only are you an idiot, but you are probably a colluding idiot, and this smallish rare example is where TDs will (and should) bring the hammer every time.
Surely you understand now.