Ive played party poker for the last 5 years now and the site has always had a nice flow of recreational players many of which play most nights of the week or certain times of the month.

Since the start of the calendar year every single of the players I had tagged has not played at all and I've played almost every night this year with afew exceptions and it seems to be the same tiny losing players who are like 5bb losers. Every single 20bb+ loser has disappeared. Which is cannot be a coincidence as before I would be playing with these players 2/3 times a week at least.

The last time this happened it was when party segregated the tables so all the big losing fish would be in a separate player pool in which afew regs found out a way around this and got onto the tables which they was able to achieve winrates of 20bb/100 which was only found out as Poker Table Ratings was tracking the site at that time.

Ive asked the party rep about it in the thread and he will not reply to my posts or to other players who have mentioned the same thing.

Has anyone else noticed this change too?

All other regs ive spoke to have said the same thing that they have not noticed a single of the old recs playing and it seems like all the new accounts are going to those tables too as random new players have not been on also.

Here is a video which someone took last time when the segregation was made to explain it in more detail:

I haven't played Party in ages. Do they not let players table-select anymore but rather just assign you to one of the running games at your chosen stakes?

If that's how it works, what's your accusation, specifically...that the "assignments" aren't random at all, but rather the fish are being assigned to their own tables so they aren't playing against tables full of regs?

There is both a lobby like before and a quick seat by stakes you can select. Both take you to reg filled tables with no recs. Did you watch the video in the post?

There are hidden tables which new accounts or old players who lose a x amount of bb/100 can access. Small losers and winning players cannot see or access these tables.

I'd go with "they can't possibly be stupid enough to try the same scam again", but watching stars has tought me better

Pretty much this.....it's time for the rise of RIO Poker.

Yes, where you will be segregated vs other 2p2er's for the overwhelming majority of the time. What rise it will be.

Total segregation like this seems like a terrible idea to me especially if they are not disclosing it. That said I always felt like a good system would be for the seating not to be random but rather to stick players with losing play styles 2+ to a table so their expected loss rate would be lower => better experience

Video giving an error....

I don't expect games to be good there right away from the start (maybe even ever), but i have high expectations in regards to treating customers equally fair and charging a reasonable price for playing Poker. Fish goes where everyone goes. So if RIO Poker becomes the place to be, games will ok. It's obv a big IF, but i still have some hope which none of the current big players gives me.

Fish go where tv commercials and other marketing instruments tell them to go.

If RIO has funding to outspend Amaya on the add front, lots of people will go there. If not, it's going to be a reg-only site.

Fixed now.

FWIW, I asked the support about this and they were adamant that there was no segregation. You would think if there was, they would have tried to dodge the question in some way but who knows.

Couldn't you dump at lower stakes to sit in whale infested waters higher?

As a Party Poker ambassador I have heard absolutely nothing about this. I've spoken shot ecology suggestions etc on a pretty regular basis and this has never even been considered AS FAR AS I KNOW. Of course I can't say anything with 100% certainty, but I'm pretty confident it's not true.

Yes, pretty sure from discussions I've had recently with them about eccology that this is not true. Could still be true but I don't think so.

Well there were quite a few red flags recently.
1. Most of the days in 2017 (with the exception of the last couple of days the games were terrible easily the toughest online.
2. Regular fishes disappearing for a long time (saw them back last 3-4 days tho but didn't see them at all in January and most of February which is quite strange)
3. Talked with couple of other regs because there were PMs floating on skype whether Party started segregation again.
4. Strange irragularities in the amount of fishes e.g. games Tuesday morning a lot fishier than weekend games (was the case during previous iteration of segregation where they wouldn't segregate so heavily during off hours to preserve the traffic)

However for me it seems like just they made deal with some bot creator or sth. I mean you can't report bots anymore (because to do that you need stats and for that you need to breake T&C yourself anyway). Party doesn't catch them too unless players report them which isn't the case anymore so end result is games are getting destroyed by bots. So less fish is one thing but huge influx of new regs/bots is the other (and games were super soft for a first month or so because there aren't as many regs that are comfortable playing without a HUD/play less tables to stay observant when they can't use one which should make games a lot softer but it isn't the case on Party)

Since you need a certain depositor:winner ratio, it will take some time, until there's an 'established' traffic and even longer, until you'll find RIO on poker scout. on the other hand, Phil is a smart guy, so maybe he surprises us all with some big money investors and they will run crazy adds. anyway, the good thing about RIO is, that it can grow healthy, which makes it the most interesting thing in ages.


@ Party Segregation: can't recall, but wasn't the segregation officially announced last time? given the fact, that GVC has done a good job so far, i would be surprised if they would copy an old move from the previous owners (which failed) without warning ... but well, i've seen crazier things

No, segregation was quietly introduced last time.

Why do you think the new owners have done a good job? Removing hh's was a terrible move. They've created a situation where regs willing to cheat have a huge advantage by paying for the hh converter. Then there's the long-standing Russian bot problem, previously players were regularly identifying bots and reporting them. Party couldn't do it themselves, now the players can't either.

Just play Zoom then. The fish are spread out equally among the regs.

Everything should be Zoom in my opinion.

Hi all

To address recent claims of segregation I can state on behalf of partypoker there has been NO segregation of our players at the tables and we have no intention to make any change in the near future regarding the same

When we last segregated our tables we introduced what was called protected tables and filtered our lobby view
The protected tables where then converted into our Casual Cash games which allows only one table to be played at a time when using this selection- clearly highlighted in our lobby and visible to all

Following on from this we recently introduced the new Fast Five tables which are standard games with a restricted buy in of x5

In our last release - approx. 10 days ago - we added new feature games - once again clearly visible to all in the lobby - however these tables are invite only and will be used by our party ambassadors and friends to have high staked cash games visible to all in the lobby

I hope that’s clears up your recent concerns
Apologizes I did not reply yesterday - I was travelling to an event and OOO

Kind regards,

Colette

The Partyrepbot needs a patch there

i was surprised that they made a few changes (like the the withdrawal fees or undoing other stuff) ... "good" was also meant relatively in comparison to the global market and the fact, that GVC is a casino company .. anyway, thx for the info about the segregation back than

OOO = out of office, but maybe i misunderstood your post.

Yeah no disregard me I'm a ******