It probably helps that I am the top VIP tier there, but I get awesome rakeback, immediate customer care response via online chat, and they implement my feedback. What more can you ask for?

Yes, the HS lobby was not great, but it was improving believe it or not. There were often games running at 10/20 and weren't always revolving around fish. However the lobby was still bad, I'm not gonna lie. I don't hate this decision, I just think its rash.

What I don't understand is how Party can possibly be desperate/ in trouble as a lot of people or saying. (When I said Party was "dying" in OP, I just meant it was just settling for a low place in the online poker business chain. ) I mean, the amount of revenue it generates annually is surely astronomical?
How can their overheads even make a dent in this revenue? Am i missing something? Does gaining a gambling licence cost a ridiculous amount?
Surely Party is just hurting slightly from a contraction in the poker economy and they are over reacting.

In b4 the party users petition to get the limits back

Party is one of the worst run companies I have ever had experience with. You think they are doing good? Look at there traffic year over year, they are dropping players as fast as they can. Customer service is atrocious, their software is antiquated and buggy. They have effectively no game integrity division (bots/cheaters). Their financial reports contain some incredibly ridiculous excuses for why they are failing, when in reality it's because the playing experience is atrocious.

obvious move is obvious.

good idea by them.

+1

And this move is going to be a mistake in the long term.

Every fish out there dreams of one day playing nosebleeds. The fact that 99.999% of them will never get close to making it is completely irrelevant, it's about the dream, it's about railing HS games where players ship hundreds of thousands of $ and thinking you'll one day do the same, or even simply enjoying the craziness.

And what a bunch of ****ing hypocrites, the last thing they care about is the safety and well-being of their customers, that becomes completely obvious when you look at their security department and the way they deal or rather fail to deal with bots, collusion, etc...

This is just as greedy a move as I've ever seen and I hope (and know) they'll fail as a company and go down in flames and lose their last customers that they don't deserve to Stars.

The move in understandable. The scumminess on the higher tables was an embarassment: 5 sitting out waiting for a fish, table blocking etc. Sometimes there would be 30 odd people sitting an no action. Given the small amount of rake they get there they are not worth the hassle.

Sucks for those that played those stakes who were not bumhunters, but those 4 people (or whatever it is) can find somewhere else to play if they really want. The bumhunters who bumhunted there can just go **** themselves imo, but no dount many will moan and bitch about the change as if Party owes them a steady supply of fish.

If that was really their intention, there were many other ways they could've at least tried to improve the quality of the HS games, starting by implementing the "sanctions" they said they would take against reported players.

It's typical Party behavior, just as they'll confiscate your money if you call someone down light because they can't be bother to hire people with IQ's above 75 who understand anything about poker.

Same thing here. They didn't consider for a single second the health of the games, it's all about not losing the fish's rake to HS regs, if healthier games had been their priority, they could've done a million times more than they did in that direction over the last few years and still now had many better options than to just drown the whole thing.


EDIT: I don't dispute the scumminess of the HS games, but to lend any credance whatsoever to the idea that Party cancelled the games with anything in mind other than their short-term bottomline is laughable.

I'm not saying it's the best move, but it may be the best move that Party could actually implement. They have failed to effectively stiffle scummy behaivour, stop auto-seating (fish chasing) scripts etc and probably know that they can only work on simple solutions.

Really sucks for the regs who played there and would actually play other regs though for sure.

Ya they went for the "solution" that was free, policing the games or putting software fixes to stop this type of behaviour costs money. It mesh's with how they treat every other aspect of their business.

Can somebody explain to me why the haters are so mad when none of them play 10/20+ on Party?

I understand why Party is doing this but at the same time I can't help but think they should try to improve their software / promotions / etc.. if they want to increase their bottomline.

And that goes for most sites out there. Since Black Friday there has been a great opportunity for the smaller sites (read: Non-Pokerstars) to capture a bigger share of the market by running their sites better. Instead, what I have seen is a lot of passivity and lack of innovation/progress mixed in with very poor business decisions.

Completely agree with this, i can't understand how these small sites create client software with such obvious problems in them, I expect the average player on any of the smaller sites could point out errors after playing for an hour, not sure who they get to help design them but I'm sure there not consulting good online players / investing enough in research to create user friendly software. Just look at Lock it's awful in so many ways even the auto rebuy doesn't work!

I agree that they should fix their **** when it comes to software etc, but I have to say party run the best promotions around that I've seen (other than PS).

Just because someone doesn't currently play 10/20 doesn't mean they don't aspire to, or at least enjoy watching those games.

Also, people are annoyed because this move is generally seen as a way to pad party's bottom line, when there are a ton of more practical things they could be doing instead, that would be of benefit to a lot more players.

removing 10/20hu was pretty dumb imo. pure bumhunters hardly ever sat there with the 6 table KOTH cap, and there was WAY more reg on reg action than fish action there. probably at least 5:1 in terms of hands played, maybe even 10:1. has to be a bad decision for them - most of those regs aren't going to be battling 5/10 iyam