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Old 01-14-2010, 11:41 PM   #76
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Re: View: FTP needs to change their HU cashgame hierarchy

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heres the best way to solve the problem:

get rid of empty HU tables. code a menu that will find games for people. people enter the stakes they want to play and optionally the person they want to play. include a blacklist if they dont want to play some people. if two people are both looking for games and they are not on each others blacklist then a box pops up saying, do you want to play x. if one of them says no the other person is added to the blacklist otherwise they start playing. this will give everyone equal opportunity to play against fish. and if you are willing to play anyone then you can find other players who are also willing to play anyone without going through every table.
this is a pretty good idea actually but really doubt ftp would implement this, at least within a reasonable amount of time and clayton's idea(s) could be implemented much easier/quicker
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:47 PM   #77
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I've never understood why someone is allowed to deny action and still stay at the table. Can someone please explain why this is logical?
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:49 PM   #78
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simple solution. make all heads up table start with the same letter. Maybe with J? Lots of cool words start with J. Jacknife, Jokers, Jungle, Jethro Tull, Jimbo, Junk in my trunk, etc.

But, failing that, fully support OP.
Funniest thing I have read all day.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:57 PM   #79
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i dont think you understood a thing about claytons posts.

as to your second paragraph, that is pure nvgtard lol
What did I not understand about it?

And there a bunch of reasons I suspect so many bots on stars, one big reg flag is how when you look up tables on PTR (.5-1nl for example) there will be more than 10-20 good tables to play at on FT yet stars tables there will only be one good table to play at even though the number of tables is about the same if not stars can often have more? It's just too suspect to trust and the fact that you don't actually have any imput and you just flame suggests you're down with the stars that I suspect they are. Again, it's all speculation but the reason that I posted is solid enough to merit.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:00 AM   #80
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Re: View: FTP needs to change their HU cashgame hierarchy

Why not just put a limit on how long someone can sit without playing? If you're not gonna play, cya later.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:01 AM   #81
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The only solution I like is random table names with random player names.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:04 AM   #82
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The only solution I like is random table names with random player names.
Bumhunting is the problem. Lobby issues are only symptoms of the larger cancer that is killing HU cash.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:07 AM   #83
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Re: Open letter to Full Tilt re: HU Table Hierarchy

I'd prefer it if the tables would get sorted by how long a person has been waiting without sitting out. If they sit out their counter gets reset. What do you think? This would encourage people to wait on one table and give action to anyone who wants it.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:13 AM   #84
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regs battling over prime real estate would add a pretty interesting dynamic imo

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Old 01-15-2010, 12:15 AM   #85
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Bumhunting is not the problem. Consider people out there that are trying to learn hu play. The don't want to fukkin play Taylor Caby... How do you guys not understand this. You're trying to kill the game because you're greedy.

A possible solution for all of you tough guys that want everybody to play everybody is they could have a seperate lobby for either random matches or annonymous matches or even "random and annonymous" matches where you could play. And at the same time people that are learning could play and know that they're not playing "michael jordan of the felt".
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:16 AM   #86
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This makes no sense.

If a player is sitting on an "A" table that plays anyone, more games will start on his table than a player who is bumhunting an "A" table. Thus more games are created.



I could be misunderstanding you but I feel like you're talking in too black-and-white terms with respect to non-bumhunters. There are players like me who think they have an edge on every single 1/2 NL HU player and don't mind battling other "regs" because there are such things as regs that aren't good at poker. As such any game that I can get is going to be +EV for me and I'd like the table that people are most likely to click on.



Again, I disagree with you. Citing one of my earlier points that deals with the "x" variable.
lol as one of the best 1/2 hu players in the world, you sure are having a hard time grasping this concept. lets say a bum hunter is sitting at table A. you sit down with him and he sits out. your options are to leave or get reported, thus you leave to find another reg/game to milk your minuscule edge that will take millions of hands to manifest itself. Full tilt still gets rake when you find your new game. Under your system, the bum hunter is forced to leave, and now you have an open table. If a reg sits with you, you will play him. No new games are created. Either you move to find someone who will play you under the current rules, or you stay and wait for someone to play you under your rules.

The fact that tables that start with A now have very egotistical players milking minuscule edges doesn't mean that there are more games. If anything it means fewer games because you are no longer seeking out regs who might play you.

You can however make the argument that a bum hunter under the current system has a massive fishing advantage under the current system, because fish sit the first open table they see. This advantage is eliminated when you introduce king of the hill antics, but a much simpler solution is to just randomize the open hu tables for each viewer. This solution is better because it instantly removes all weight to alphabetical considerations whereas your system makes us weigh the value of getting booted from an 'A' table and the rent seeking behavior that ensues against the value of having a more active fishing position.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:17 AM   #87
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Re: View: FTP needs to change their HU cashgame hierarchy

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Bumhunting is the problem. Lobby issues are only symptoms of the larger cancer that is killing HU cash.
This may be true, but FTP's software/policies seem to contribute to the problem. In this case, the "symptom" can be alleviated.

I have never focused on HU play specifically because of all of the bull$hi+ that I see going on there. I suck at poker, so the bumhunters have lost out because of their baloney.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:22 AM   #88
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Bumhunting is not the problem. Consider people out there that are trying to learn hu play. The don't want to fukkin play Taylor Caby... How do you guys not understand this. You're trying to kill the game because you're greedy.
They can move down. No reason we can't allow bumhunting at 50nl. Anything higher isn't "learning stakes," anymore and people shouldn't be allowed to bumhunt. Good compromise.

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A possible solution for all of you tough guys that want everybody to play everybody is they could have a seperate lobby for either random matches or annonymous matches or even "random and annonymous" matches where you could play. And at the same time people that are learning could play and know that they're not playing "michael jordan of the felt".
Except it's not people learning to play. It's people who figured out they should most hands and not flat 3bets and then call three barrels with 22 on AKQT9 preying on people who are slightly more dumb than they are.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:24 AM   #89
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milking minuscule edges doesn't mean that there are more games. If anything it means fewer games because you are no longer seeking out regs who might play you.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:26 AM   #90
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Re: View: FTP needs to change their HU cashgame hierarchy

Would this work?

player A is sitting at a table (bumhunter). a good reg (player B) sits down and posts. Player A sits out. Player B continues to sit in. Player A has 2 minutes to either post his blinds and play or will get booted from table.

The only problem ( it would be huge problem, but possibly monitored/fixed) I can think of is the bumhunter would sit in one hand and then sit out again, rinse repeat, and the good reg gets annoyed and leaves.
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