right csb, and how much is mexican govt going to make from ring-fencing fun players? this, in anyway you look at it is minuscule relative to mexican GDP. im not suggesting otherwise.

Seems pretty straight forward. Mexico doesn't want foreign companies offering poker/gambling/sports-betting to it's citizens without the government getting their cut. Ring fencing will clearly be a bad idea for online poker in Mexico as the player pool will be tiny which will effectively destroy the product and it's availability. Politicians SHOULD very much care about the Spain vs UK model as applying the UK model would seem to be the right play given the size of the player pool and current Mexican interest and affordability of online poker.

Wanting a piece of the pie is understandable if Mexican citizens are paying rake. Additionally, I don't think it's coincidence that this is going down now while Stars prepares to roll out Casino games (and sports betting in the future perhaps). As mentioned already, Caliente is going to fight this to the death from happening. From the governments perspective, I wouldn't let some billion dollar company roll out online casinos in my country so that the citizens can dump their hard earned money to billionaires on the Isle of Man. I'd want all the money to stay local and be taxed OR work out some deal where they supply the service, and we supply the customers and there is a profit share. It's very tough for the Mexican IRS to enforce their tax laws on a relatively high percentage of Mexican businesses due to all cash transactions, lack of man power and soft penalties. But a digital system that is perfectly accurate and requires a fraction of the manpower is a perfect solution. Requiring an actual coorporation in the country (.com.mx) means that they will have to have bank accounts in Mexico which means all the money will be transparent to those who are looking and there will be very small room for error.

Every country in the world with poker players should prepare for this including Canada. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. Amaya shareholders are certainly not going take a hit on the profits if Stars simply starts paying countries in order to remain online within their borders. The only solution is going to be an increase, yet again, in rake (what obviously is happening in the Uk). It's a bleak outlook. Good competition might help but unfortunately, Stars diligently took care of that when they scooped up FTP.

well i've been playing poker for a living for 7 years now, and i just got down here to mexico about 3 weeks ago (180 day tourist visa) with the specific intention to grind pokerstars because of its access to the global ".com" player pool and games that run basically 24/7. before our proverbial "black friday" in the USA (when the US government shut us out of the market), i was chasing supernova elite and personally generating somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000 in rake per month on pokerstars- i'm assuming most or all of that rake would be subject to taxation as per the licensing regulations of different governments/countries (potentially mexico), since it just amounts to revenue for the poker site. this would be impossible to achieve on a segregated player pool.

i am a native of the USA, but i speak spanish quite well and i have tremendous respect and empathy for my mexican brothers. before i played poker, i worked in construction (residential concrete work), digging ditches, scrubbing fast-setting driveway surfaces in the hot sun, eating lonche and sharing cervezas at night right alongside my mexican crew mates (some of whom risked their life and freedom to immigrate illegally), and that experience taught me many different lessons about economic injustice and inequality in this world that is perpetrated by governments that pass laws to segregate and alienate us from each other.

since i've been down here in mexico i haven't been shy to immerse myself in the local culture as much as possible when i'm not playing poker online, and i love it here. i've only been here 3 weeks so far, and the house that i am renting is furnished, however i have still had to go out and purchase thousands of pesos worth of bedding, cleaning, and personal essentials. i know that a lot of people struggle very hard with poverty and lack of economic opportunity, and that makes me sad because i know that poker has provided me a life that some can only dream of- i have always been impressed with the hard work and resolve that mexicans have instilled in the fabric of their souls (both here in mexico and in the USA, immigration reform FTW), and i always do what i can to tip generously at local restaurants, i give money to people who are out on the street struggling when i pass by them, and i actually just took advantage of an opportunity at a local calimax store to buy several christmas gifts for children with disabilities at a rehabilitation center called casa gabriel. i plan to buy more christmas gifts for other children this month as well, because it makes me so sad that some little niños have to learn such hard lessons about life and unfairness at such a young age. it's a small token, i know, but it's something, and without the opportunity to play on a non-segregated pokerstars, i would not be able to live down here in mexico and earn a living, and i would have to pack up and leave (probably with tears in my eyes).

without access to a global player pool, there is simply no way that anybody who plays poker for a living would be able to remain here in mexico. the backbone of a healthy poker economy (and large, taxable revenues for poker site operators) is liquidity, and liquidity is only achieved when we share borders with our fellow poker players around the world to compete in this game we all love.

i am under the impression that having to build and install new servers here within the sovereign territory of mexico would make it impossible for mexican players to share the same player pool and games as the rest of the world that accesses a different set of servers which sites like pokerstars already have set up in europe. from what i understand, "mirror" servers are no less safe or accessible for inspection/monitoring as physical servers located here in mexico, and would solve the problem of having to segregate and isolate the entire mexican market from the rest of the world.

i urge any and all politicians to carefully consider and implement whatever changes are necessary in the pending legislation to allow for the ability of mexican players to continue playing and competing in a global market that the rest of the world enjoys, because there is simply no way that a segregated mexican market for online poker could have anywhere near the earning potential as the players and governments who get to enjoy the freedom of a shared, global player pool.

i want to thank JC alvarado and any other poker players who might be able to relay my story to local government officials who are in a position to make this legislation/regulation something that is inclusive and lucrative, rather than something that is oppressive and isolating.

thank you

I think the main issue here is the practical application of enforcement. In certain european countries for example, it took years for even a soft toothed approach to take effect, and people can still play on most sites.

The bill is very technical...Having lived in PDC, I couldn't help but notice that the mexican government is basically inept at anything besides violence,. They don't really "accomplish" things... that's just not what government does, is capable of, or even aims to do in Mexico.

It would take quite a bit of tech-savvy leg work (again, which no one is going to do) to code regional tel-mex/videotron/CM servers, to set up and have tech guys verifying RNGs, and all the other things that this bill asks for.

I'm not saying it won't happen, it probably will happen sometime down the road in some form or another, money talks, but 2 months seems like a stretch. My. $.02 would give MX quite a bit more breathing room.

I saw this article that you posted on poquer 833...do you know when the Mexican Senate will be back in session in 2015? Or, does anyone know? tyty

http://noticieros.televisa.com/mexic...riodo-barbosa/

This is just not true.

Hopefully, he can meet with a senator since the bill is in their senate now and will be discussed next week...that would probably be the most fruitful...

http://www.noticiasmvs.com/#!/notici...oxima-455.html

Care to explain?

The people there hate the gvt, and with good reason, they build roads to nowhere, illegalize things that they have no business illegalizing (not drugs, they relaxed their position as a compromise, not out of any sort of virtue), upgrade things that don't need to be upgraded for show, while letting important things fall to the wayside.

Kind of off topic, but the history of mexico is basically the history of the greatest failed socialist/populist experiment of all time, maybe even more than the USSR.

Anyways, i'm through with the "mexico is so so great! they are so so hard working!" stuff. I love it there, I'd move back in a second and just might. And mexican people are chill as ****. But just the fact that people have to excuse MX constantly should put a grain of salt right where it belongs.

The vast vast majority of Mexican people (through circumstance of course, not by nature) hold massively irrational beliefs, and the biggest offender is the government.

Hell you can barely even get an abortion outside MX city... how is that okay?

Anyways, the gvt is too dysfunctional/busy/stupid to pull this off anytime soon, my .02c, grind away

that's nice that you feel that way, but i'd be willing to bet that not a single person in here gives a ****

Beautiful post, I hope JC alvarado reads it and presents it to the politician he meets.

For everyone playing poker in Mexico and thinking they will need to move...

MEXICO PLAYERS WILL NOT BE SEGREGATED FROM GLOBAL POKER MARKET NEXT YEAR...

http://globalpokerlink.com/poker-news

*If you would rather have my copy/paste his article let me know and I can remove the link. I never know what is considered spam these days

I would definitely like to see some evidence to back this up...there is none in the article...

looks like nothing more than a pathetic attempt to bring some kind of traffic/exposure to an upstart/obscure poker news site

+1

If you guys knew Tyler I don't think you'd need any more proof than his word, he has a lot of connections. I play for him, and he also works with a large majority of the top players on 2+2 who can vouch for him.

I guess you don't have to take his word for it, you could message him, but all I know is I am staying put in Mexico.

BS and or spam? Nothing is cited in your "article"

proof/sources or gtfo

I'm talking to him later today, will ask if I can give a few of his sources. However, I know one of the sources is him...his partner has 1 of 32 licenses so he knows more about the subject than I can begin to explain. Will update you all soon, I only shared out of pure excitement, because I was planning on moving to Vancouver.

It has nothing to do with having "connections" or "sources". It's a public law that anyone can read and disseminate. We (pokerfuse) interpreted the law based on our understanding of the text and consulting with a legal expert.

I haven't seen any other interpretations one way or another. If he has an alternative interpretation, he should post it.

Of course there's a good chance the act will change before becoming law, an exception made for poker, or an interpretation in another way. No one is suggesting otherwise. There's a very good chance the author did not consider online poker when drafting the new gambling laws, which are wide reaching.

To say "Well, that isn't true," and provide no other information is hardly a news article.

i think this pokerupgrade acct is deserving a ban if he doesn't follow up later today with some kind of justification for playing with my emotions and wasting my time

lol already told you i would be updating you as soon as i talk to him. i literally know for a fact, but waiting to find out what exactly i am able to say.

p.s. you should buy some of that mexican xanax breatheeeeeeeeeee

show and prove homie, you can't post some bs link to some nothing website and expect us all to jump for joy because "tyler" says everything will be all good

Ugh, just moved to PDC after grinding my way back from basically nothing after black friday. If this legislation goes through and i'm fked all over again I think it'll be time for me to take my FTP$ when it comes and (puke) join the workforce. My poor little ass can only take so much abuse from the poker world.

Okay, I talked to Tyler and there is not a lot I'm able to say. However, I can tell tell you this...

1) The President is going to sign the bill in a week or so, and after that nothing will actually go into effect until after 180 days. After those 180 days, inside sources say that Mexico will be an open market, not closed to just Mexico.

2) In the pokerfuse article it says: Taxes for online gaming have not yet been written into the law—but they are expected to be at least as high as those in Spain.

This is not true. The taxes are going to be 30%...the same for both online and brick and mortar in Mexico. If you choose not to believe me, that's fine, but I have quite a bit of inside info so take it for what it's worth.

Whatever you guys decide to do, good luck!

Can you confirm/deny that tyler knows the president?