Even among 8th grade boys, this would be considered a terrible joke

So if you bink tournament and someone shipped on FT or moneybookers they have to take a six figure deposit on those platforms? That seems really impractical.

Why? Stars/FTP can be transferred instantaneously to each other.

No site, including pokerstars, lets people just cash out transferred funds that aren't played with, unless there is some special staking arrangement.

Lot more to say than I anticipated & post will be up in a few hours.

Apparently you're not up to date with the current situation the website you collect a paycheck from has put themselves in. Lock is not allowing users to withdrawal transferred funds, nor winnings derived from a person to person transfer.

Look can we all please stop wasting time talking about whether Melanie uses Lock on marketplace or w/e, that's entirely separate (and tbh her responses seem logical/practical)

Here are the real questions on everyone's minds:

1- does lock have segregated player funds?
2- will lock be able to pay players out? when? people have literally been waiting months with no word from lock.
3- what is causing the massive delays? is it a payment processing related outcome or connected to the Cyprus crisis?
4- Will players using p2p transfers ever get their money back? there are several players who have thousands of dollars in winnings on Lock that they will never be able to retrieve, despite generating tons of action/rake..

After Black Friday you should know putting your face on a poker site is a risky play. I'd sure as hell do some major due diligence before signing anything. I don't know about the timeline of Melaknee's involvement with Lock, but if she's actively trying to attract new players to the site she's just a shill for a Ponzi scheme.

I think I'm OK with her signing a deal but once things start to go South she should be doing everything in her power to at least provide clarity into Lock's situation and inform their players. And clearly unethical to continue receiving payment.

1-No
2-No
3-They don't have any money
4-You answered your own question

Some good news from Mason-

Hey Melanie ,Haters gon hate if you're ever in NYC hit up the rip babe

I haven't been keeping up with the lock situation because it's pretty obv what's going on but wow, this just takes the cake. Now they're just making up **** on the spot. Wouldn't be surprised if players aren't able to cashout money they won from players who received a transfer by next week.

Melani,

Do you not see a problem here?

I mean this is either completely disingenuous or completely ignorant.

Lock has recently enacted the most severe restrictions on cashouts of transfers (no amount of play through will ever let you cash out these funds) of any poker site. There is no comparison between them and stars/tilt/whatever.

noob, can you link whatever thread this is coming from. Can't seem to locate it myself...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...poker-1328233/

It isn't Lock's policy to let players play then cash out. It is Lock's policy to never let that money go. Further, pokerstars doesn't need a secondary market for cash outs that Lock Needs nor did their site grow because of that market, while Lock does and did.

There are real issues here. If you don't think that there are, then I'd advise you not post at all, because you would be wasting everyones time.

I dont want stars or FTP or moneybookers if a horse wins me 250k. I want a check in euros or dollars. Dont you have to play with transfer money before cashing out? Wouldn't that be hugely problematic for a low or mid stakes grinder?

This is the same **** Michael Jordan went through when Nike was under fire from the 'sweat shop' ordeal in the 90s. The person you are trying to burn at the stake is a walking billboard, not someone who has a deep understanding of operations and how complex financial transactions are handled. Do you think when Tiger Woods signs a multi-million dollar endorsement deal, he spends weeks looking at the operations of those he will potentially represent to decide whether or not he'll take a paycheck?

While I understand the need to light a fire to get answers, you aren't targeting the right person(s). I hope for the best for everyone stuck with money on there but seriously, the torches and pitchforks are pointed the wrong way.

What? There is a monumental difference, which is that Lock Pros are luring people into imminent financial danger, whereas athletes are encouraging people to buy sneakers.

This! Anyone who has any knowledge of the cashout problems on UB, FTP and the myriad of other rooms that have had financial problems, yet still made a deposit on Lock Poker is a idiot. You have no one to point fingers at but yourself. Once bitten, hell 10 times bitten...

Lock Pros can certainly be viewed as shady BUT IMO ONLY when it comes to those new or recreational players that are 100% oblivious to the issues surrounding online poker in the US. The Lock Pros have to sleep at night for doing it, but these morally void people can always somehow justify it by convincing themselves that players 'know the risks'.

The fact is that virtually all poker players posting/reading on 2+2 knew the chances of these withdrawal problems occurring YET AGAIN, were EXTREMELY high based on current US law, the extreme difficulty of an offshore site operating in the US, and basic history.

You'd be better off playing the shell game on the Las Vegas Strip than depositing on an unregulated site. At least in that scenario you can attempt to physically beat the money out of the person that scams you.

What a load of crap.

If I receive a transfer on stars for $1k I can play with those funds and then cashout. Grinding low variance 10nl or whatever for an hour would be enough I reckon and would also ensure that I get the max value for those funds.

On lock, the $10k sitting in my account is just sitting there in limbo.

The company you represent have said that I will never be able cash it out.
They have said that any money won from that money will never be able to be cashed out.

I can't play through the money in order to release it.

Lock have outright stolen it.

I suggest you do some actual research of your own instead of liasing with people like Shane at Lock because he will just feed you the same lies he has been feeding us for the last year.

the fact that she won't take Lock transfers could have as much to do with the fact that once you take a transfer, you have effectively turned your real money account into a play money one

eta: didn't see Melanie's response earlier, either she's ignorant or is acting ignorant to Lock's new policy on transfers

Is a sanctimonious post like this really necessary at this time? There are hundreds if not thousands of players who are trying to resolve issues with their balances for significant sums of money.

There are many respected posters and even moderators on 2p2 who played on Lock and got extensive rakeback deals, and whose affiliates were profiting very nicely through Lock until 4-5 months ago, when the cashout issues started to grow, and anyone with half a brain moved their funds out as fast as possible then.

Best post in thread. People that represent company's that are involved in shady business and willingly promote them are just as bad as the company they represent.

Hi Melanie, I will take 10% on Lock as well. Payouts can be returned on Lock so long as you can verify you made a deposit into your account if your account doesn't have enough funds to cover your upcoming bink. Please PM me email address. Thanks and good luck at EPT.

Quit trying to compare this to Nike. Did you ever buy a pair of Jordans then Nike said you won't get them for 6 months? Did you ever buy a pair of Jordans and get a walmart brand?

Nike was/is screwing or being unethical to their employees.
Lock is screwing their customers.

There is a big difference.