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Old 06-04-2008, 08:01 AM   #1
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NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

Updated NVG Rules made simple:
  • Don't be ignorant, don't be rude, don't troll, don't flame, don't insult people.
  • No memes, stupid levels that hijack threads, or other no-content posts.
  • If you aren't adding something positive to the thread, don't post.
  • Don't violate the basic site-wide rules.
For more information, read the rest of the rules sticky.

Note that there are now 16 mods and counting here, so we will be able to enforce these rules more diligently. So start reporting more posts so we all have something to do.

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Old 07-25-2008, 01:27 PM   #2
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NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

Welcome to News, Views, and Gossip

This is the highest-traffic forum on 2+2, making it a very visible forum, so let's try to keep things civil and not reflect poorly on the 2+2 community or 2+2 Publishing. All this traffic leads to a low signal-to-noise ratio. In order to keep things running as smoothly as possible, please follow a few simple posting rules. Posts that violate these rules will be deleted, and you may receive infraction points* (see below), temporary bans, or even permanent bans for repeated or particularly flagrant infractions.

Cliffs Notes
  • Keep your posts respectful and don’t insult/attack/threaten/flame other posters or poker players
  • Post in the correct forum
  • Do not derail serious threads; avoid making low/no-content posts
  • Do not post about deleted posts, locked threads or other moderation concerns anywhere in NVG--PM a mod
  • Do not bypass profanity filter in text or images. Do not go around the filter by posting words that are spelled wrong or have characters inserted in them.
  • No inline NSFW, no linked NSFW stuff without the link being tagged NSFW, no linked porn even with NSFW tag
  • No spam or begging
  • No links to your own blog or website in posts or urls in your location or avatar


1. Keep Your Posts Respectful
  • Racist/sexists/homophobic etc. posts are not acceptable. If you are unsure if something is racist or sexist or homophobic, err on the safe side.
  • Do not make posts that insult, attack or threaten someone. Disagreeing with another poster is fine; threatening them, telling them to *****, STFU, insulting them, calling them names and other ad hominem attacks is not.
  • Avoid flaming people and arguing back-and-forth, repeating the same points over and over. Save yourself (and us) the headache and just block the poster and your problems will disappear.
  • Do not troll.
Use some common sense and treat people with respect and you will have no problems. Posts along the lines of “X is a ****ing retard/douchebag/gay/bitch etc.” will be deleted and result in warnings/infractions/bans. These rules also apply to posting about well-known players. Criticize them if you want, but do it with some respect.

Many threads about women quickly degrade into rude and sexist comments. Please refrain from making insulting posts about someone’s appearance, or sharing with us whether or not you would like to engage in certain acts with them, whether you would "hit" them, "tap" them, or anything else like that.

2. Post in the Correct Forum
Save us the hassle of moving your post by posting it in the correct forum. Topics related to online poker rooms belong in the ZOO (Internet Poker). That’s where to put topics such as “Site X ripped me off,” “Is Site Y down for anyone else?” “OMG online poker is rigged,” “What is the best site to play on?” etc. Better still, you won’t even need to start a new thread on most of these topics, and can just post in one of the dozens of threads in the zoo that already cover those subjects. There is also a forum for posts about televised poker, conveniently called Televised Poker.

If you want to post about something that has nothing to do with poker, but is a comment on the forums (i.e. "Why are so many threads locked?" "View: NVG is full of **** threads;" "Mods suck;" etc, these do not belong in NVG. NVG is for threads about Poker. Threads about NVG belong in About the Forums.

3. Do Not Derail Threads and Avoid No-Content Posts
Threads do not need to be cluttered up with off-topic or no-content posts. If you don't have anything to add, don't just say "wat," “awesome,” “first,” “ban,” “epic,” “in on the ground floor,” etc. or repeat the latest meme of the week. These posts are not funny and clutter up the threads making them huge and mostly unreadable, which ruins it for everyone else. These types of posts will be deleted, and will lead to warnings or infractions. Also, please do not bump threads unless you have something new to contribute. Don't bump a thread when all you are adding is a no-content comment like "bump" or “lol.”

4. What To Do If You Are Upset That A Thread Was Locked, A Post Was Deleted, You Received a Warning, Infraction, Ban, etc.
  • PM the mod who did it (or if that is unclear, PM one of the NVG mods) and voice your concerns to them.
  • If this does not resolve the issue and you are still upset and think the mod is being unreasonable, do not ask why it was deleted in NVG, do not ask why it was deleted in the thread from which it was deleted, do not repost it, and do not make a new thread about it or complain about it in NVG. There is a forum for making posts about the forums, conveniently called About The Forums. If you really need to post about your locked or deleted thread after discussing it with a mod, do it there.
  • If you are banned and want to know what to do if you need to complain, follow these instructions.

Cliffs Notes: Deal with these issues via PM, and if that fails, try About The Forums. If you post about this in NVG, your post will be deleted and you will get an infraction.


5. Various Other Site-Wide Rules
  • Do not bypass profanity filter in text or images
  • No spam or begging
  • No inline NSFW** (see below if you are no sure what is NSFW) stuff without the thread being tagged NSFW
  • No linked NSFW stuff without the link being tagged NSFW
  • No linked porn even with NSFW tag
  • No filesharing discussion
  • No discussion of methods to break laws, encouragement to break laws, etc.
  • No plagiarism
  • etc.


*Infraction Points: The vBulletin system has a system of infraction points. This is an extra warning before we have to start handing out temp-bans. If you get 100 points you will be perma-banned so be careful.

**NSFW = not safe for work. Because people work in a variety of places, this can include bikini shots and such. Anything beyond is definitely NSFW.

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Old 09-19-2008, 04:48 PM   #3
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Some Tips On Posting (i.e. How to not start terrible threads)

NVG has never been known for it's high-quality content, but lately things have really gone downhill. Before you start a new thread, please put some thought into it.

Cliffs
  • Not every "View" needs a thread
  • Put some effort into thread titles and OPs: Titles should reflect what a thread is about, and OP should provide some context and tell us why we should care
  • Before starting a new thread, check if there is already a thread on the same topic
  • Threads about internet poker sites and anything to do with internet poker sites do not belong in NVG; they go in the Internet Poker forum

Not Every View Needs A Thread
View: NVG Should Be Changed to NG, View Threads Are Dumb
Sure this is News, Views and Gossip, but not every View anybody has is worthy of a thread. Someone much smarter than me (Kevmath, I think) once noted that threads whose titles begin with "View:" are almost universally bad. Just because you had a thought, or read something, or heard something somewhere doesn't mean you need to start a thread about it. At least ask yourself whether there is any reason anyone but you would care before making a thread about it.



Put Some Effort Into Your Thread Titles and OPs
Threads that start with a post (OP) that is merely a link with no comment are not going to get much response, nor are threads with a title followed by a post that is merely "discuss," "wtf," "lol," etc. Please put some effort in your OPs. Threads that contain "discuss" in OP tend to really, really suck. If you have nothing more interesting to say about a topic than "discuss," then you probably shouldn't start a thread.

Also, please put some effort into your thread titles. Using thread titles that give no indication about that a thread is about is not good practice. Do not start threads with titles such as "Discuss," "Epic," "I can't believe this," "Stupidest thing ever." People get annoyed when they can't tell what a thread is going to be about by reading the title. If you want people to respond to your thread and show interest in it, start things off with a title that is reflective of the thread's content, and an OP that lays out what the thread is supposed to be about and why we should care.

Is There Already A Thread About This?
Try searching before you start a new thread. At the very least use the "Search this forum" tool, do a google search that includes site:forumserver.twoplustwo.com and a keyword or two, and scroll through the first few pages of NVG to see if there is already a thread about what you want to post about.

Every month has a dedicated "September/October/etc. High Stakes thread." This is where discussion of high stakes games go. Do not start new threads to post hand histories, they go in this thread. Also, most chat from High Stakes sessions can go in this thread. It is rare that chat will be so epic as to warrant it's own thread. Since these High Stakes threads get so huge, please show some restraint with making low-content posts, and limit the amount strategic tips you offer, since some of the regular high stakes players may actually have a more thorough understanding of poker strategy in these games than you, and your criticism of their play will generally be wrong and met with lots of derision by other posters, further cluttering up these huge threads.

Do Not Start Threads About Internet Poker Sites in NVG
If your thread title contains the name of a poker site like "Full Tilt" or "Poker Stars," then NVG is almost never the correct place to post it. If your thread title contains words or phrases like "down," "rigged," "ripped me off," "stole my money," "collusion," etc., then NVG is almost never the correct place to post it. If your thread is about payment processors, depositing, or withdrawing, then it does not belong in NVG. Threads about internet poker sites and anything to do with internet poker sites go in the Internet Poker forum.

Some tips on posting in existing threads
If someone has started a horrible thread or is making incredibly stupid posts, do not give them any attention. Rather than insulting these posters in a thread, report their posts or notify a mod. If a thread is terrible, do not bump it with a comment telling us it is terrible, let it fall off the front page and die.

Also, please avoid making the following sorts of posts:
  • one-word and other low-/no-content posts
  • posting overused memes
  • posting random photos, even if they are of hot women (those can go in BBV or BBV4L)
  • posting your thoughts about whether or not someone is worth having sex with or similar comments about sexual practice

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Old 11-04-2008, 09:56 AM   #4
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Please stop byp4ss1ng teh pr0fan1ty filt*r by writ-ing wor.ds like this. It is a pain in the ass for mods to have manually filter out everything you make the auto-filter miss. Let the filter do its job. I don't bother manually filtering stuff anymore; I just delete posts that bypass the filter.


For some reason, some people have come to the misguided conclusion that RickRolls are still funny. They are not. Nobody like them anymore. Nobody will like you if you post them. It's true.

Do not post RickRolls or you will get infraction points and get at least temp-banned.


Hey, quit making those stupid "first," "frist, "f1rst" and "wat" and other no content meme posts. I know it says this already in the first post in this sticky, but nobody reads stickies, and I'm tired of having to delete that crap multiple times a day, so I'm posting this again.

If you do make one of those stupid one-word-meme posts (or similar no-content memes like "in B4 lock/ban/whatever," it will be deleted, I will be sad you wasted my time making me delete it and that you didn't read the sticky (or did read it but made your post anyway), and I will warn or infract you.


And stop trolling threads that you think suck. They wind up sucking even more when the first 6 replies are stupid troll comments. If you think OP sucks, keep it to yourself. There is no need to make posts about how bad you think a thread is, or tl;dr, or make non-sensical posts to mock OP and up your post count. These useless posts are becoming more and more frequent, and will also be deleted and result in warnings/infractions.


Just so you don't whine that it's unfair when it happens.

Please stop with that stupid meme:

No X in Y, everybody's Z.

It was hilarious the first few thousand times someone made it; less so now. It always just gets deleted since it's so annoying, so save us the trouble and please don't do it in the first place.

This is, of course, covered by the general "no stupid memes in NVG" rule, but that doesn't seem to be enough to dissuade people from using it, so please note that there are no lols in this meme, everyone hates it. There will be warnings and infractions if its use continues. Soon I will start temp-banning because it still gets posted in every ****ing thread.

And cool stroy bro was never funny and should have stopped before it even started so make it stop now at least.

Threads that contain "discuss" in OP tend to really, really suck. If you have nothing more interesting to say about a topic than "discuss," then you probably shouldn't start a thread. If your OP ends with "discuss" it will probably get locked.

Please don't go posting pics from people's facebook accounts. If a poker player you admire is kind enough to add you as a friend, why would you want to repay them by posting their personal pictures on 2p2 to laugh at?

If your entire OP is short enough to tweet, then it isn't threadworthy. Either add some context to make OP more than just posting a url or "discuss" or don't bother starting a thread.

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Old 04-04-2010, 11:24 PM   #5
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We have some fun in this forum of course. But people just can't handle political jokes no matter how little and innocent you might think it is. There is always somebody who thinks the opposite of you on that issue. The little jokes always generate replies and then eventually turn more serious and then turn into some stupid side discussion about how great/lousy Obama is, etc.

We have a politics forum. Your health care and Obama observations belong over there...not here.

Meme type posts suck. They are generally unfunny. They get in the way of people trying to read actual content.

We like to have fun in here too. But clogging up every single thread with 50 straight "first" "ban" "three-fiddy" posts over and over again gets super-annoying. That's why we come down hard on them.

So here is a thread with some examples of the type of posts that will get you an infraction.

NoahSD Edit:

Personal attacks are not ok. If you have to resort to telling someone that they suck at poker, have a small bankroll, are stupid or a loser, etc., then your argument probably sucks. We're just going to start deleting posts that include things like this and infracting.

Similarly, posts that someone else should not have posted something are not ok, will be deleted, and will get you an infraction.

Please report all such posts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jweez View Post
/thread
/lock
/ban
/etc
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Quote:
posted by junky monkey
bansville all aboard, choo choo choo choo!!!!!
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Quote:
originally posted by WhirlingDervish
One ****ING time!!!!!!
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Quote:
originall posted by IamPro

cool story bro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kratos View Post
(Rickroll of any variety)

Quote:
its problem
Its getting heavily overused guys. Please chill on the no content meme posts in general.

Quote:
his roll is bout $3.50
.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Computerized View Post
it just so happens that most nvgtards are the ones that suck at poker too
.

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Old 09-30-2010, 10:14 PM   #6
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Re: Some Tips On Posting (i.e. How to not start terrible threads)

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2. Post in the Correct Forum
Save us the hassle of moving your post by posting it in the correct forum. Topics related to online poker rooms belong in the ZOO (Internet Poker). That’s where to put topics such as “Site X ripped me off,” “Is Site Y down for anyone else?” “OMG online poker is rigged,” “What is the best site to play on?” etc. Better still, you won’t even need to start a new thread on most of these topics, and can just post in one of the dozens of threads in the zoo that already cover those subjects.
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Cliffs
  • Threads about internet poker sites and anything to do with internet poker sites do not belong in NVG; they go in the Internet Poker forum


Do Not Start Threads About Internet Poker Sites in NVG
If your thread title contains the name of a poker site like "Full Tilt" or "Poker Stars," then NVG is almost never the correct place to post it. If your thread title contains words or phrases like "down," "rigged," "ripped me off," "stole my money," "collusion," etc., then NVG is almost never the correct place to post it. If your thread is about payment processors, depositing, or withdrawing, then it does not belong in NVG. Threads about internet poker sites and anything to do with internet poker sites go in the Internet Poker forum.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:02 AM   #7
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

To be clear, first requoting the earlier rule:

Quote:
Put Some Effort Into Your Thread Titles and OPs
Threads that start with a post (OP) that is merely a link with no comment are not going to get much response, nor are threads with a title followed by a post that is merely "discuss," "wtf," "lol," etc. Please put some effort in your OPs. Threads that contain "discuss" in OP tend to really, really suck. If you have nothing more interesting to say about a topic than "discuss," then you probably shouldn't start a thread.
If your new thread could easily fit in a twittter post's character limit, its not a good new thread. Please do not post just links. If you have a link that is interesting, add some discussion points on it, state your opinion, or do SOMETHING that makes your post more than just a back link generator for some other site.
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Old 04-21-2012, 01:29 PM   #8
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Re-Host images)

If you are going to put an image into your post please re-host it on one of the many free hosting sites out there. Hot-linking from the original site steals bandwidth from them and causes problems if the source site gets flagged as dangerous by the various anti-virus/spyware programs.

If you hotlink in the future your post/thread may get deleted. If your hotlink causes any problems here, you are looking at an infraction/temp-ban.


This got lost when this stickies were cleaned by a while back so a reminder, "Ban" posts in NVG may result in a temp ban for the person making said post.

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Old 04-25-2012, 04:41 PM   #9
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The Golden Rule: Don't waste people's time with your post.

It's easy to forget that, when you post on a forum, other people will spend time reading what you wrote. NVG gets a ton of readership, so A LOT of people will spend that time reading whatever you write.

So, before you post something, please stop and think "Is this worth people's time?" Here are some examples of things that are not worth people's time:
  • Personal attacks on other posters who are not the subject of the thread. No matter how witty or justified you might think they are, it's extremely likely that your insult doesn't interest anybody except for you.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kamikaze baby View Post
    Go back to whatever elementary school you failed out of please and repeat the 3rd grade and then maybe come back when you've learned how to read and we can have a conversation.
    You see how nobody wants to read that?

  • A long derailed argument with one other poster.

    Quote:
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    Feel free to attack this. Most ppl can see you for what you are (shill). why would anyone try to undermine a solution that guarantees BR's come back to a$$-raped players? I'll tell U why - because they're dirty little MERGE shills who want the hole thing to fall through.
    See how nobody wants to read that either?

  • Vague complaints about how the thread is going.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LastLife View Post
    If this page is any indication, I'm glad that I didn't read the last 9 pages.
    You see how nobody wants to read that either? These posts make the problem worse.

  • Complaints about modding.

    (Mods want to hear these, but people who are reading a thread about Daniel Negreanu's new dog probably don't want to see that there. These go in About the Forums.)

  • Memes

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by YeyDrek View Post
    in on epic thread

    Why would anyone want to read this?

    (By the way, if you want to subscribe to a thread, you don't need to post in it. At the top of the thread, click "thread tools" and subscribe there.)


We're going to start being a bit more harsh about stuff like this because NVG is becoming unreadable.

A note about (in)consistency

It's very very common for people to complain that mods are inconsistent. You're right. But, there's nothing nefarious behind this.

First of all, mods are unpaid and busy--There's lots of stuff that we could and should delete, but we don't because we don't see it or because we're just browsing the forums and not thinking like a moderator, etc. It sucks when your post was deleted and someone else's similar post wasn't, but that doesn't mean that your post shouldn't have been deleted or that mods are evil.

Second, there's some subjectivity here. Mods don't follow hard-and-fast rules, and we don't claim to. Sometimes we think something like "Well.. that post is pretty off-topic, but it seems like people will like it, so I'll leave it." Sorry if we don't feel this way about your post and therefore delete it.

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Old 08-03-2012, 01:17 PM   #10
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

Reminder:
/thread
lock
ban
/etc
Will most likely get your entire post deleted and "ban" results in a 1 day temp ban for you as well.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:20 AM   #11
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

New rule: Copy and pasting the entire contents of an article is not cool.
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

One of the most common types of News that gets posted in NVG that doesn't belong here is information about something that happened to one person (or a small group). Don't take this the wrong way, but unless you are a famous pro, the news that something bad happened to you in poker is not, in fact, news that NVG in general cares about (unless you are reporting a potential huge scandal involving a pro or a site potentially cheating its customers).

If you want to report something bad/weird that happened to you in a live casino, please use Brick and Mortar.

If you want to report something bad/weird that happened to you on an online site, please use Internet Poker.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:03 PM   #13
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Re: NVG Rules and Guidelines (Please Read This Before Posting)

Been running into several occurrences of "EAD" in NVG.
This falls under our basic rules;
Quote:
Don't be ignorant, don't be rude, don't troll, don't flame, don't insult people.
No memes, stupid levels that hijack threads, or other no-content posts.
Posting this may now result in deletion/infraction/temp ban.
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