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Old 09-18-2008, 09:52 PM   #76
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Re: NEWS: UB and AP article on msnbc.com

Thanks CORNELL FIJI, MOOKMAN5 for helping me, a stranger.
Thank you Michael Brunker from MSNBC for the time you spent talking to me about my lost cause.
I do believe it helped me as I got a direct email from UB saying YES I would get a refund, but just not yet I guess.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:35 PM   #77
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This seemed kind of patronizing, especially since it was thee "kids" who uncovered all this in the first place.
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Old 09-18-2008, 10:46 PM   #78
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meh- deleted because not needed.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:04 PM   #79
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also, its interesting to see that greenstein finally showed his true colors as just another immoral cover man in the good ole boy network.
et tu greenstein imo
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Dude, Greenstein has been great to the 2+2 community and he has done nothing but try to shine a light on this scandal and help out where he could. You seriously need to shut the hell up.
Didn't he give Hellmuth he** for his continued support of UB, saying it will eventually come back to haunt him?
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:27 PM   #80
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Jesus, we in America are truly living in an Idiocracy now. Just read the comments in just about any American based news article, whether its a local newspaper or Fox News and then compare it it to a European based news source and its commentary. It's frightening how absolutely retarded we have become in America in the last 20 years. Thank god that we know longer emphasize math and science anymore, but instead turn everything into a political football, much to the detriment of our society.

Rock bottom is coming, mediocrity is the new black....
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:59 PM   #81
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What about the other player who is close to NioNio on that scatter plot? Anyone checked him out?
Yes, and it's nothing suspicious, in short. If you care for greater detail, send me a pm or something.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:27 AM   #82
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Re: NEWS: UB and AP article on msnbc.com

nbc journalism vs amateur journalism

way to get the story 99% correct

now plz do an article about how online kids win millions of dollars (to send fish to the game)
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:51 AM   #83
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:58 AM   #84
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This is incredibly shady that they agreed to keep the superuser(s) secret at AP (and pretty dumb for Legget to say that publicly). Not that anyone needed another reason not to trust these sites, but this is a big one IMO. It obviously makes the oft-repeated claim that the old owners are still in charge much more credible -- if not, what reason would the new owners have to protect the old crooked owners? It also probably means UB will do the same thing.
Very good post. Agree completely.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:04 AM   #85
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MR Brunker has already made one correction, about the total dollar amount in U.S. Dollars.

MicroBob, he does not say it is illegal to play poker online.
He says "Though most forms of Internet gambling, including online poker, are considered illegal by the U.S. and Canadian governments"

Which is true, if you look at the FBI and DOJ stance on online poker, so he is correct, please read more carefully, this was brought up and clarified once in this thread already

I stand corrected so thanks for pointing out that semantical clarification.
You are correct that many in the government do indeed CONSIDER it illegal.....but that little qualifier about "even though playing isn't illegal at all" is sorely missing and it does end up misleading the uninformed reader.

Many reading the article would make the fair assumption that "government considering it illegal" means the same thing as it actually being illegal for me to play from home.
Using a line like that, which may be technically correct, without clarifying that there actually is NOTHING illegal about playing online, is pretty deceptive and misleading writing and is in dire need of being corrected.

What Joe Shmoe is doing when he plays for pennies from home is NOT illegal and I don't even think the DOJ thinks that it is (based on the language in the UIGEA).

It's illegal to operate a site from the U.S. and it's illegal for a bank to knowingly facilitate such transfers but it's NOT illegal to play.
Because of the way that line can be misinterpreted I think it should either be clarified somewhat or eliminated entirely from the article. Just too gosh-darned misleading.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:06 AM   #86
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what were the nature of the threats?
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:07 AM   #87
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that comment list is just another reason why poker will always be extremely difficult to convince to the masses and the government is fair and safe and should be legalized

Fixed.
Too many stupid people with too many stupid misconceptions about the game and how the online sites work does NOT help our chances of convincing politicians and regular citizens that this isn't the type of thing they should be worrying about and trying to prohibit.
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:23 AM   #88
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Many reading the article would make the fair assumption that "government considering it illegal" means the same thing as it actually being illegal for me to play from home.
Using a line like that, which may be technically correct, without clarifying that there actually is NOTHING illegal about playing online, is pretty deceptive and misleading writing and is in dire need of being corrected.
Yeah, to your average sheep this reads a lot like the risks involved in file sharing, where every once in awhile, someone is actually prosecuted for how they use their computer
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:02 AM   #89
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The claim was filed by Blast-Off Ltd. of Malta, a private company that currently has an ownership interest in Ultimate Bet.
So much for Tokwiro owning UB and AP...
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Old 09-19-2008, 03:08 AM   #90
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just got back from playing at poker room in kahnawake. guy next to me claims he's involved in online gaming marketing. knew about the AP/UB scandal. no surprise to anyone here but he confirmed joe norton is just a owner on paper. he hadn't read/heard about the lawsuit but will try to get more info from him next time i see him.

brag- won my biggest pot playing 1/2- $950.

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