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12-31-2016, 08:43 AM   #126
poiulkjh
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by elendil200 Does anyone know if the wheel is a true 1/8 wheel?
i asked Stars, they replied me:

Hello

There is an equal chance of hitting each of the segments when you get to the jackpot round. In other words chances are 1 in 8 or 12.5%.

Kind regards,

Simon
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 12-31-2016, 11:03 PM #127 Flying Player enthusiast   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 98 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" As several posters have pointed out the calculated break even jackpot size does not pass the sniff test. And they are in fact right. The reason is the posters that have tried to make these calculations are basing their calculations on a bad assumption. The assumption is that the EV of every play is the same. This assumption is true in a lottery or traditional casino game but is not true for The Deal. There are three contributors to the expected value of each play of the Deal. The first two contributing factors, the prizes won based on your random five cards and the money won by you hitting the jackpot are the same for every play made. The third and most significant factor, the money won from the prize pool split when someone else wins the jackpot, only applies to your first play in any 12 hour period. For every consecutive play within that 12 hours the EV contribution of this third factor is \$0.00 Simply put if you are playing once every 12 hours for 7 StarsCoin you are making money off of all the other fools that are playing more than once and the ones playing for 70 StarsCoins. And you are really loving the idiots making multiple 70 StarsCoin plays. It is not even possible to calculate a breakeven point without having a reasonable estimate of the ratio of Number of Unique Players in 12 Hours : (Number of 7 Coin plays + 10 * Number of 70 Coin Plays) Currently there are many many fools making 70 StarsCoin plays and multiple in 12 hour period plays. For the smart ones making one every 12 hour 7 StarsCoin plays it is currently a printing press for money with very high ROI's. Only play when the jackpot is larger and you will see higher ROI's. If everyone catches on and only plays once every 12 hours for 7 StarsCoins then the breakeven point will approach the calculated values. Assuming the given calculations are indeed correct. Last edited by Flying Player; 12-31-2016 at 11:09 PM.
12-31-2016, 11:18 PM   #128
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by Flying Player As several posters have pointed out the calculated break even jackpot size does not pass the sniff test...
Excellent post, finally someone making sense ITT.

12-31-2016, 11:36 PM   #129
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by AKingdom Excellent post, finally someone making sense ITT.
As if he is is telling anything new

Last edited by youriw21; 12-31-2016 at 11:44 PM.

 01-01-2017, 04:49 AM #130 freddy10-4 grinder     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 561 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" does anyone know why they don't have this on the UK client? esp. odd when stars has casino and sportsbook here
01-01-2017, 10:27 AM   #131
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by freddy10-4 does anyone know why they don't have this on the UK client? esp. odd when stars has casino and sportsbook here
even more odd when it was on fulltilt.uk all year long before they moved it over.

01-01-2017, 04:59 PM   #132
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by AKingdom Excellent post, finally someone making sense ITT.
FWIW, it's the same thing several people have said, but I think he's worded it in a way that will make it a little clearer for some.

 01-01-2017, 06:18 PM #133 pechkin adept   Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 728 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" i think you shouldn't call people who can afford to invest "ohmygod70c" in slots "idiots", maybe just maybe they make \$1mill+ a year and just want to relief some stress with some gambling, which is clearly +ev in their life even if it's -ev in your poker universe.
 01-04-2017, 02:00 PM #134 Yawn Troll II stranger   Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" could someone please tell me how much was the jackpot part distributed to participating (not winning) players today my client was closed and i did not receive any popup when i opened it nor any email specifying the amount
01-04-2017, 02:24 PM   #135
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by Yawn Troll II could someone please tell me how much was the jackpot part distributed to participating (not winning) players today my client was closed and i did not receive any popup when i opened it nor any email specifying the amount
Biggest ever for me lol

 01-04-2017, 02:39 PM #136 Yawn Troll II stranger   Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" thanks man do u know if there's a way/place to see the prizes? if someone knows the exact number please post :* EDIT: found it in the player audit... Last edited by Yawn Troll II; 01-04-2017 at 02:55 PM. Reason: found answer
 01-04-2017, 03:04 PM #137 LOLNHDONKWP veteran     Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cork, Ireland. Posts: 2,863 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" Twas 2.35
 01-04-2017, 05:13 PM #138 Flying Player enthusiast   Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 98 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" Followed shortly thereafter by another \$0.39 I was receiving email notifications of payouts at first. But since the new year that seems to have stopped.
 01-25-2017, 01:02 AM #139 pechkin adept   Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 728 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" so is it time to blow some coins now? its over 330 thousaand!!!
01-25-2017, 01:33 AM   #140
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by pechkin so is it time to blow some coins now? its over 330 thousaand!!!
If i calculated correctly, the jackpot has exceeded the point where it is guaranteed to be +EV no matter how many times you play (until someone wins it of course)

Last edited by Mr Invisible; 01-25-2017 at 01:39 AM.

 01-25-2017, 05:14 AM #141 pechkin adept   Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 728 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" also the jackpot has to be non rigged in any way, too many casino bull**** has been going lately, and casinos are shady. else it's just better to stick to 1 spin every 12 hours
 01-25-2017, 05:41 AM #142 onebiggrind centurion     Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: New Zealand Posts: 195 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" perhaps the deals exists to facilitate the process - rakeback -> \$\$\$ -> rake -> stars' pocket.
 01-25-2017, 12:01 PM #143 kazamman newbie   Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 49 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" Anyone have an idea what the payout will be with the current jackpot(\$350k) for the 50% 12 hour thing?
 01-25-2017, 01:04 PM #144 CoreySteel old hand     Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 1,550 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" There's no way to know. Probably few \$? Whatever is gonna be, its +EV to play
 01-25-2017, 10:47 PM #145 Tutejszy old hand   Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,375 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" soo, did anyone figure out how to disable the client showing me everyone spinning the wheel? I had it off, then (due to another bug in the ****ing client) all my setting were reset, and I accidently clicked ONCE that I wanna see it, now can't disable this ****
01-26-2017, 04:55 AM   #146
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Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal"

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 Originally Posted by Tutejszy soo, did anyone figure out how to disable the client showing me everyone spinning the wheel? I had it off, then (due to another bug in the ****ing client) all my setting were reset, and I accidently clicked ONCE that I wanna see it, now can't disable this ****
This is also pissing me off, it automatically takes focus from whatever I have open

 01-26-2017, 06:23 AM #147 onebiggrind centurion     Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: New Zealand Posts: 195 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" 400k, got to be pretty good ev now. Anyone want to pool starscoins?
 01-26-2017, 06:28 AM #148 OFA adept     Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 758 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" Boom... Won \$0.65 when someone else hit the JP...
 01-26-2017, 06:30 AM #149 onebiggrind centurion     Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: New Zealand Posts: 195 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" How do you mean? The jackpot hasn't been hit. And when it is it'll be more than \$.65 shared.
 01-26-2017, 06:49 AM #150 Scooter_ journeyman   Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 340 Re: New no-skill Stars game: "The Deal" So, if the if the share of the jackpot is lets say §1, then its §0.1 if you play 7 FPP within the last 12 hours?

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