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http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/08/...n-about-girah/

Jose is not being portrayed like this at all...

Thanks Boot.

Mowgli lived in the jungle so Jungleman is fine.

no problem mate.

starting to think this guy has a real problem with trusting people and common sense.

durrr may not be able to beat JM heads up, but Jamie Gold would destroy him w/ his absurd table talk. lol, so gullible

Tin foil hat theory coming up:

I'm intrigued by the session in which Girah, being ghosted by JM, lost a lot playing 50/100 HU to a random fishy player, who, according to JM in the 3rd interview (around the 13 minute mark) was "3-betting something like 40%", "not c-betting all that much" and, once JM takes over from Girah, "he suddenly became super nitty and quit after 50 hands".

Say Girah wanted to scam DiH and JM out of some of the money they staked him by losing to another account that was also him or an accomplice, how would he go about doing that?

Well, for starters, he'd make sure that JM and/or DiH were watching/ghosting to show he's not chip-dumping.
Assuming Girah can both see his own and villain's holecards, with the intention of losing to that villain, what playing style would that villain have? He'd 3bet a ton, because, playing heads up, you often open whatever hand you have on the button, but don't very often want to call a 3-bet and he'd not c-bet a bunch, because he'd always know when Girah/JM had connected to the flop.
Then at one time Teamviewer becomes too slow and JM takes over, presumably on his own computer. Obviously, villain no longer has access to the other hole-cards and naturally nits up and leaves soon after.

This is where he admits to having "crossed the line". He also declines to apologize because he "lost money". Seems the moral compass is pretty broken in this one.

This is very bad.

I know this is random, but it is so lol when you look at this now.

Why didn't Girah just blackmail DiH and JM? Could have had a huge pay day and kept everybody clean

With all the **** that went down in this whole scam it's possible that Jungleman was getting superused there.

Such a sad story. I really hoped jungleman would come out clean here but he's guilty of quite a few things. I'm guessing the fallout for him will be very bad.

I want to know what the story is about last night with José & the teamviewerpro. José claimed his facebook and other accounts got hacked and now his facebook page is gone. I know what the most plausible thing is but it seems people are fixated on the interview lately and not looking at the alleged hacking yesterday.

New and improved cliffs of the entire Jose "Girah" Macedo scandal

THE BEGINNING: SEARCHING FOR THE PRODIGY
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...e-info-964270/

THEN:

- New poster "LookingForProdigy" starts NVG thread asking for information about an mysterious Portuguese online poker player
- HS players including DogIsHead (DIH), Jungleman (JM), and sauce123 post ITT confirming that they know this player and he is indeed a terrific player. JM specifically claims, "I took him under my wing, and I'm gonna make him into a beast."

NOW:

- the "LookingForProdigy" account has since been confirmed as belonging to Jose "Girah" Macado (Girah), the prodigy in question
- all HS regs who knew Girah have denied knowing that he had multiple 2+2 accounts with which to hype himself
- Other confirmed or suspected Girah accounts (such as "fjfrm") post in this and other Girah threads, helping to lend Girah support and/or credibility

THE LAUNCH OF THE POKER PRODIGY
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...rodigy-990495/

THEN:

- Girah posts an introduction to the 2+2 community in NVG
- Girah posts one chart claiming to have made $1.6M
- Girah refuses to give SNs, claiming this is on the advice of his lawyer
- DIH acknowledges helping Girah edit his introduction (given rampant speculations as to whether or not the level of English is good enough for a non-native speaker)
- Multiple HS regs and grinders post that Girah is legitimate, many of them stating they have talked to him via Skype and stating how sharp his poker mind is. Some even go so far as to be willing to bet anyone who disbelieves Girah's story 6 figures that he is not a level

NOW:

- DIH's admission of helping Girah edit one post has been greatly expanded: he has now admitted to posting on both Twitter and 2+2 under Girah's name, and acting as a mentor/older brother/agent for Girah
- DIH initially lied about ever acting as Girah's agent OR posting for him on 2+2. Both lies, and posts outting those lies followed by DIH's retractions/explanations, can be found in the HS thread and DIH's Bluff article (links below)

THE LOCK CHALLENGE SCANDAL

THEN:

- in the "I am Jose" thread, it is announced that Girah, a recently anointed Lock Pro, has been disqualified from a recent competition he won, prizes for which included a WSOP ME package and a two year Team Lock contract
- Lock announces that the DQ is the result of "rules violations", the only one disclosed being an incident of another player using Girah's pro account ("Girahh")
- Girah also posts, claiming his backer, who he refuses to name, played 25/50 PLO on his account while he was sleeping, and that this is the reason for the disqualification
- Girah further claims that he won the contest legitimately through his own play, a statement Lock backs up in their statement, claiming that his account was audited and the win legitimate
- NVG posters in the thread question this claim when a review of HHs reveals that Girah was down for most of the challenge at his usual stakes (up to 5/10 NL 6 max) but switched to playing 100/200 HU NL and won ~$100K from "SamChauhaun", a mystery account that just happened to share the name of JM's RL mindset coach
- HS regs continue to defend NVG doubters vigorously

NOW:

- It has since been revealed that Girah's backer was DIH (he and JM having a 50/50 stake in Girah)
- Originally, DIH claimed he was responsible for the PLO session, but nothing else
- Later, DIH (in his Bluff interview) claimed that he was responsible for the 100K chip dump using the "SamChauhaun" account. He denied that this was for the purpose of winning the challenge, claiming the money was in order to stake Girah (having previously claimed the stake was for 5/10, and no higher than 10/20 6 max NL), and that he was unable to do a person to person transfer, so Girah suggested the chip dump as a solution without telling him (DIH) about the Lock challenge
- DIH claimed in his original blog entry to be distress over costing Girah the challenge because of the PLO match; he later stated he was furious at Girah for causing him to chip dump during the challenge
- In JM's interview with Noah and Vanessa, JM now claims responsibility for the 25/50 PLO session, admitting to playing on Girah's account "a few" times
- JM states that any 25/50 PLO sessions, and some 50/100 NL sessions, might be his
- JM admits to knowing about the $100K chip dump, but states he also knew nothing about the Lock contest
- JM admits to also playing on the "SamChauhaun" account

THE SKYPE SCAM AND THE AFTERMATH:
HS scandal thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...xpost-1079436/
**NON HS REGULARS ARE REQUESTED TO READ THE HS THREAD ONLY**
NVG thread I: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...xpost-1079435/
NVG thread II: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-scam-1079792/

- MossBoss posts the details of a Skype scam perpetrated by Girah
- Girah urged multiple members of a Skype strategy group to play either "Sauron1989" or "Dollarman", both of whom he described as "aggro fish", and when possible asked to watch the match via TeamViewer
- Members of the group/victims grew suspicious of either the requests or the results of the match and started investigating; estimated losses from the scam are ~$45K
- With mounting evidence, victims told DIH, JM, and NoahSD about their suspicions
- Originally, Girah admitted only that the accounts belong to a "rich friend", and he said he just wanted to give his friend some action
- Girah eventually admitted to superusing via TeamViewer while matches were in progress (and eventually, admitted that the accounts were his)
- Girah begged the Skype group not to go public
- In helping uncover everything, DIH also requests over Skype that his name, JM's name, and sauce123's name not be included in the story
- As Girah is investigated by the community, his association to DIH and JM is examined closely, and ultimately they are investigated as well, leading to the discovery of the evidence of lying, multiaccounting, and chip dumping/collusion on the part of DIH and JM (who at least had knowledge of the chip dump)
- DIH denies posting for Girah and is outted; denies acting as Girah's agent and is outted; admits to chip dumping during the Lock challenge, and eventually blogs that he is quitting the poker community
- JM, on the advice of his publicist, originally says very little. He does a Bluff interview that says very little. He eventually agrees to an interview with Noah and Vanessa
- In the first interview, JM denies any direct wrong doing, describing his relationship to Girah as not particularly active, and claims that he never verified Girah's stats and known none of his unknown SNs. He states that he basically accepted DIH's word for everything and trusted DIH implicitly
- After the first interview is completed but before it is released, JM's publicist contacts Noah and says that her client lied during the interview and would like an opportunity to clarify himself
- Noah and Vanessa conduct a second interview; in it, JM admits to multi-accounting on the "Girahh" account

MISCELLANEOUS NOTES:

- Girah has agreed to repay scam victims, and at least partial repayment has already occurred
- Another Girah victim described Girah agreeing to complete wire transfers in exchange for funds on a poker site; ~$17K has not yet been recovered
- Girah, or somone posing as Girah, attempted to convince people to download a trojan horse onto their computers, describing it as "TeamViewer Pro".
- Lock Poker has released Girah but not released more than a brief statement, which does not address their coverup of the contest chip dump
- DIH has been released from CardRunners
- There remains a great deal of speculation about the legitimacy of Girah's results. JM denies ever looking into them, and no other HS player describes doing so. While many very good players who talked to him believed he had a very sharp poker mind, others players described him as confused in very basic spots or vague, and his known results do not appear to be compatible with him winning as much as he claimed to in a short period of time. The investigation into this, as well as many other aspects of this story, remains ongoing.

Links:

JM Interview: http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/08/...n-about-girah/
DIH Interview: http://news.bluffmagazine.com/haseeb...network-24259/
DIH Blog: http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/internetpokers
**scroll down and read the older one about the Girah scandal before you read "The End"**
Girah post on the Lock Scandal (includes official Lock statement): http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1050


And that's where we are. If you want to recommend additions, better be quick; since I am not a mod I cannot edit after 1/2 an hour.

Please add the fact that JM's dragon warrior skills in his RPG were unparalleled and that he played with the utmost honor in that game.

Also if he believes the stats were real he should be able to get JOEZAY to prove it to him (just dont use his TV PRO)

DC: ...'Part of the reason I chose the SamChuahan account was because it was perceived to be bad.'

Looking pretty much like he was directed to play this account for the exact reasons he said. Such a clusterf***.

P.S. How does he have the choice to play this account?

50/100 Hands on PTR from Samchauhan are vs. "JoeBanana5"

I think you should mention that Girah was posting on Twitter about the HU match with SamChauhan, asking for people to rail what was supposedly just a chip dump.

OK, boys and girls. You know the drill:

This thread will be locked soon. There is a new thread with an awesome updated cliffs. If you want people to read your posts, you should probably post here.

Noah, can you add to the cliffs that:

-- Jose has excellent English skills (so there won't be anymore derailment on this issue)
-- Someone claiming to be "the girl from London" takes credit for writing Jose's apology

And change multiaccounting to "ghosting/multiaccounting"

He did it on here too.

SGT is working on the cliffs right now. I'll be back later tonight to fix anything that people think should be added. You can PM me.