X-post.

Since reading Ashmans post I have zero ability to cast any blame on JM.

Ashman gave him the perfect opportunity to blame it all on Haseeb and to play the idiot savant card but instead he defends him.

I simply find it cute that he still thinks that Haseeb is his friend and still defends him. Loyal like a dog. I will feel real sad for him when he realizes that Haseeb never had the best intentions.

If I was an evil mastermind of any kind i would have gotten all-in blaming Haseeb for everything from brainwashing to molestation.

This:

Does not jibe with this:

Lies on top of lies. Do not trust JM. Do not trust AM. Do not trust HQ.

I don't think it's as straightforward as this. If a lonely, socially incompetent poker savant has a cash-obsessed, highly intelligent sociopath get a slot helping to shape his career, move in with him and spends all his time controlling his access to information, trying to spin what kinds of activities are acceptable and unacceptable, I think he can be just as much a victim as some of the other people who got scammed. In fact, I think he can actually be more of a victim. He's got a lot invested in the idea that Haseeb is his friend and is taking care of his interests, when all the time, Haseeb seems to be milking him like a total sucker.

From the interview, I get the sense that Jungleman just wants to play poker -- and win. The money seems almost immaterial to him. That's not to say he doesn't have ethical obligations here, and he surely overstepped a boundary or two, but it's still hard not to view him as a victim.

Edit: OK, Listening to interview 2 now. Sympathy diminishing rapidly.

combination of the 2 most likely, it was a freeroll in marketing, either they decline and jose looks good or they accept and JM ends up either TVing it or directly playing himself as hes already shown that he would step in on a HU match

@RangeyMcTriplmerge

Why the hell aren't you a moderator here?

The pattern that's emerged in communication here:

NVG: accusation of lots of X, Y and Z
DIH/JM: lol NVGtards, grow up, ridiculous. 100% false and we'll bet everything in the universe on it

*a wild evidence of X appears*

DIH/JM: ok we did X but just the once and it was for a completely innocent reason

*evidence of even more X appears*

DIH/JM: it might have been a few times

*evidence of Y appears*

DIH/JM: ok that was a lie before, we did do some Y - but there's a good reason for it!

*evidence of Z appears*

DIH/JM: ok maybe once or twice

*evidence of more Z appears*

DIH/JM: less than 20 times I'd say. 20 max. some of those weren't even 'times' as such. what is a 'time', really, anyway?

Why are vanessa and Noah saying Joe-Say in the interview, I assumed it was pronounced Hoe-zay

^ Portuguese ftw

I'd be a rubbish mod. Every single thread would have to contain the same level of mystery and intrigue as the girah thread for me to put any kind of effort into it. That's a big ask lol

I mean...

*sigh*

I see your point, I really do. I kinda feel bad for JM if he really is this trusting, this socially awkward. But he's not 10, or 13, or 16. He's an adult, albeit a young one, and should own up to his part in this, even if the explanation for why he got involved in the first place (scammed by someone he trusted completely) is kind of gut wrenching.

But to keep dancing around it and get caught it a couple of lies (or shades of gray, wtf ever), just makes him look that much worse. If you really are primarily guilting of being too trusting, and so agreeing to do something that you knew the poker world thought was wrong but didn't see really what the big deal is, why not just say that, instead of denying the multiaccounting in the first place?

And the chip dump explanation still makes no goddamn sense. They set up a $100k stake months before, were too lazy to do it until the last few days of the Lock challenge, and even though they could have transfered if via person to person with a bare minimum of effort, they decided a chip dump was the best way to do it?

Come on. Tell me another story. Better yet, sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.

Jungleman's story appears to be that he based his entire opinion of jose on what haseeb told him, agreed to hype him to the poker community then decided to jointly back him without ever bothering to audit his account activity or even pay much attention to what he was playing. He doesn't believe haseeb deliberately misled him, and doesn't think either of them had any reason to doubt Jose's ability or integrity

girah said in some interview that his name is supposed to be pronounced joezay or whatever. not sure about the zay or say but definitely joe.

Can a mod update the OP for the latest stuff?

This is actually a pretty good breakdown of the first interview, IMO.

Are you saying that without the tinfoil hat you have no powers?

On a side note i would like to say that the portuguese pronunciation of Jose differs from the spanish one and I don't understand what all the fuzz is about.

If you pronunce it like in spanish his name would be Rose.

So what does that make all you Romos with a portoguese pronunciation?