You think he can't make 3bb per hour at 300/600+ live game in Vegas? He plays higher stakes than that too

I bet on them so we'll be on the same side. I got a decent price on them to win the series. Not to hijack and make this a hockey thread, but I bet the following to win the series with prices obv:

New Jersey up 1-0
Vancouver up 1-0
NY Rangers up 1-0
Philadelphia down 1-0

Montreal plays tonight.

Also, why don't we just play a ring game? No bet, we can just play and anyone can sit. Any level, I don't really care.

True, but thought 2eazy could stomach a 200K loss, based on his screenshot, if he loses 200K he can just grind it in 150K hands, and 10 buyins down to DN headsup would be worst case scenario imo, and if it happens you can just quit.


With fish I just mean you love to play him headsup, not that DN is a drooler.

you realize that they don't get dealt 100+ hands an hour live right, its probably somewhere in the 25-40 range depending on the game, so no he's not winning 3BB/hr at 300/600 live

So when is this match going to take place? In how many hours do we get to "after the match"?

This. He says he'll take the bet which is meant to prove he beats 10/20nl online, but his actual offer doesn't prove anything, 10k hands doesn't prove that he beats 10/20nl. That's the problem here.

He better specify or put some limitations on that because if some high stakers like AEJ, FWF, Ike, etc come in here and see that he'd be biting off more than he can chew. He attempted to offer 200/400nl to 2eazy I believe to scare him off but his ego and underestimation of online players could leave him in a 200/400nl game against some players much better than him. Would he be willing to play 10,000 hands of 200/400nl HU against someone like AEJ? That's 1 tabling, does he think he has an edge? I think he'd get smoked and would bet on it.

Yep, the reason there is constantly 2 sides arguing against Daniel or the whole live vs online debate in general is because basically you have actual internet pros and then you have fanboy recreational players that just happen to post on the internet. The latter's posts are going to be guided by what they see on TV and ESPN has taught them. The online pros are going to be guided from actually having experience playing the games giving them a lot more context. The two groups will never see eye to eye but it's pretty clear which group would have more perspective, IMHO.

Yeah, I didn't realize either like others have said that the context people were using for "beat 10/20nl" included bumhunting and 1 tabling... I don't even think the people that do that themselves online consider themselves to be beating 10/20nl. And in reality "beating" 10/20nl 6max in the relevant context of online poker pretty much means playing more than 1 table so I'm sure 2eazy didn't have 1 tabling+bumhunting in mind when making the offer.... because for online players it's not going to be more profitable to just 1 table 10/20nl while game selecting than multi tabling a stake below it... so nobody whose interested in maximizing their hourly online is 1 tabling.

So for online poker, in order to "beat" a stake you need to be able to beat it while multi tabling to make it more advantageous. There's probably a buncha 2/4 and 3/6 grinders that have winrates 1 tabling 10/20 but it's not more profitable than what they are doing already.

Doubtful that he'll be able to learn how to beat the 10/20nl regs in 75k hands on his own without help/resources when 10/20nl regs have been conditioned against tough competition for hundreds of thousands of hands. He's gonna be able to learn how to beat them on the fly within 75k hands? Enough to make up for the beginning X number of hands he's losing for to try to figure it out? Good enough to just lose for 20k of his 75k hands while learning to beat 10/20nl in those 20k hands (lol, learn to beat 10/20nl in 20k hands) and then just storm back and win over his last 55k hands enough to make up for it. Doubtful.

I kind of disagree.

The reason most people give Daniel credit is not because they see him on TV but because they realize he is a smart, ambitious guy who clearly also has other qualities that made him a poker pro for years. So they think he can improve even if he is not currently a winner in terms of skill. That's the impression I am getting anyway.

I think the heads up matches, if any happen, will give people a better idea about the live vs. online discussion than 871828 topics on it did.

That said, what people mean by "beating a stake online" is to be able to at least 3-4 table it, by playing almost everyday. I am sure there is problem of vocabulary here, because that's not what live players understand when you say beating a stake.

I'll play you for my entire roll on stars

i think i have about 4 cents in my account

are you man enough??????

ROFL

K I'll be waiting at a 25-50 table. Game's over soon unless Montreal scores.

I would agree that 3bb/30 hands is tough online, but not live, and not in Vegas.

Daniel is waiting....

Man i sure hope the other guy shows up soon although he's probably somewhat devastated by montreal's loss.(the players from montreal seemed to be pretty upset )

U available now?

When I played a lot of live poker up until about 2006 my results looked something like this:

$2000-$4000 mix: $5492/hr
$4000-$8000 mix: $1938/hr that was much higher until I went off for 1.3 in a bigger game of PLO with a bigger cap.

Back then the $2000-$4000 game was a bit softer too because we had some young kids play sometimes, but they didn't often sit in the bigger game. That game was usually tough.

Ya I'm sitting

He's at table Lachesis IV.

hahahaahahahah booster JJ just lost 5% of his roll

games on

You guys should have people just sit in and sit out to block others from joining. I think that's what people were doing at the other table.

I predict kidpoker will loose big after seeing the first SAMPLESIZE OF 10 HANDS. Prolly drop some buy ins to the internet god!

DN--Fishhead here, best of luck tonight and in the near future.

FH