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I caught it last night... I couldn't take my eyes off the TV screen, like some train wreck. I would love to be sitting at that table.

Mush is my new god!

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11-26-2012 , 05:56 PM

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rocketragz

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After seeing this show and the characters including the guy with the trimmed eye brows, i now see how pokertox is plausible. If you don't know what i'm talking about:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...19/index2.html

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11-26-2012 , 06:08 PM

#78

Tall_Cool

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Watching this show reminds me of why I've never visited NY or the northeast in general. Are the producers conveying this stereotype or is every guy really like this?

vomit

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11-26-2012 , 06:12 PM

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Tall_Cool

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Originally Posted by Doc T River

When I have the time tonight, I'm going to watch the rest of the show (I'm stopped at "The Banker" being in a barber chair) and if I don't show up for a few days, you know it is because the show sickened me so much I had to be hospitalized.

He didn't have time to accept the phone call about the poker game during "market hours". Meanwhile, he's sitting in a barber chair filming a ridiculous show with an assistant by his side doing nothing.

I want that hour of my life back I wasted on this garbage last night.

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11-26-2012 , 06:19 PM

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Doc T River

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Originally Posted by Kozaa

this guy trims his eyebrows,

are you ****ing serious

I haven't paid attention to the eyebrows, but I have mine trimmed. If I didn't, I'd end up looking like Thufir Hawat from the movie, Dune.

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11-26-2012 , 06:32 PM

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Tall_Cool

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Originally Posted by Doc T River

I haven't paid attention to the eyebrows, but I have mine trimmed. If I didn't, I'd end up looking like Thufir Hawat from the movie, Dune.

+1

Or the late, great J.R. Ewing.

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11-26-2012 , 06:33 PM

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Paul Openfold

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Yeah but his are trimmed like a teenage Mexican girl

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11-26-2012 , 06:49 PM

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dirty moose

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Originally Posted by iceinmysoul

I've played the "underground" games in NYC since late 90's. There use to be some great clubs, Player's Club on 72nd,

They had the best set up around. I miss that place.

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11-26-2012 , 06:50 PM

#84

Land Of The Free?

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

I wasn't able to watch the show, but this is how I am picturing the show: Guidos who may or may not moonlight as trannys fight and play terrible poker.

Why are people in this thread seeing terrible poker being played in a live games and saying "that is why I play online and not live"?

Because although poker itself is all about maximizing your monetary returns, life as a whole isn't, and even if (big if) the play is so bad in those games that it makes up for playing 25 hands/hour instead of 500 or more, maybe some consider that spending a significant % of your time around guido trannies who make you lose iq points every time they open their mouth isn't worth the (hardly proven) extra money.

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11-26-2012 , 06:52 PM

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MSchu18

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where can I get my Mush for President T-shirt?

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11-26-2012 , 07:01 PM

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CmonSon

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sigghhh soo wish i was around for playstation till this day it is still spoken about. Still waiting to see this if any one has uploaded it yet??

The nyc poker scene is big and small at the same time you will run into alot of dealers and players you have seen at other spots and im sure we all get the annoying texts every fricking day about

1.what time the game will start
2.The game is running tons of fish
3. A day later the game is still going tons of action

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11-26-2012 , 07:38 PM

#87

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Originally Posted by EdBratz66

Secret to my game, is to ask somebody the score of the Knicks game. If they give me the correct score, I fist pump and profit!

LMAO!!!!! POTY

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11-26-2012 , 07:41 PM

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Doc T River

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I decided to start it over and a statement by Joe Mush still gets me. The one where he says everyone's addicted to it. Just because you seem to be addicted to it, doesn't mean everyone is.

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11-26-2012 , 08:35 PM

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Doc T River

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I should have waited for the fiancee before I watched it again because I know she wants to watch it and so I've got to watch it for a second time.

AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!

Last edited by Doc T River; 11-26-2012 at 08:36 PM. Reason: Forget Van Der Sloot or those two brothers, these guys are the ones who give poker a bad name.

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11-26-2012 , 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by iceinmysoul

I really don't think this is 100% scripted. Obv, there were some staged parts, ie. the meeting with MUSH and the probably the fight scene. But in general the game looks and feels just like it was shown. Always yelling, always pounding table, always drama. The extended credit or "sheet" causes a real problem but just do the math and you can see why they extend it. I went to a new game recently and "tatts" was there. All these guys will give each other action on the sheet. I sit down and the Mikey is on real tilt. He goes all in 3 hands in a row. On Button I have AA first orbit and i raise it up pretty standard, he 3 bets and i move all in for 3k. He snap calls with A7. :-) He stood up, picked up a rake, threw it across the room and screamed I'm never coming back to this ****ing place. Take it out of what you owe me and stormed out. As far as the games go- they are super soft but you have to fade the rake, chance of robbery and actually get paid, not owed.

I'd have to agree with this... after reading some of the reviews here, I dreaded watching it. But I actually enjoyed it. Life is weirder than fiction, based on my experience, I found the characters to be pretty accurate reflections of people I'd expect to see at an underground game.

I'm sure some of it is embellished/scripted, but a lot of it probably isn't. I found it more enjoyable to watch than most of the "poker game shows" that seem to have been all the rage over the past few years.

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11-26-2012 , 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyalbo

When I was in the scene, Tatts always talked about how great it would be to get cameras in the game. If the show was more genuine it could be half decent, but as is no way it survives past a couple episodes.

Im curious who 2Outsnoprob is, since other than Breez and another 2p2er I know irl, I did not play anybody else who was good. The games are tough to beat for a significant sample because of mainly the insane raking, dealer stealing and all the hazards/headaches that come with being in this scene.

I didn't say I played in this game, or with these people anytime recently. I have no idea who you are so I likely have never played with you. I said I played with two of the people featured in this almost comical documentary, in other games, previously. I no longer get involved in the underground scene due to absurd rakes, raids, and robberies.

The Joe "Rocks" game was a timed game, 3-4 years ago in the back of a bar, one night a week, in downtown Brooklyn, 1/2, pretty good game actually. Fun group of guys, no one else featured in this show that I know of was there, though.

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11-26-2012 , 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketragz

i've played in a couple of underground games in Houston and seemed about the same. This show confirmed why i continue to play online over underground games. Also, this is what happens when prohibition fails. Take notes Rick Perry because it happens all over your state too. It's time to license and regulate buddy if you really want to protect us.

Most underground games in the NYC/NJ area are nothing like this. They are generally 1/2 NL, with high-but-manageable rakes, with mostly young players in the game. They rarely get out of line beyond minimal trash talk, and most places do not feature rambling lunatics like you saw here. The play is often bad, but nowhere near as ridiculous as calling 20xBB pre with 63o, or announcing "I never get the nuts" followed by "I'm so excited to have the nuts" on a board where someone actually doesn't have the nuts.

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11-26-2012 , 10:21 PM

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mikeyfan420

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Originally Posted by DonkeyQuixote

You never saw Celebrity Poker ?

I stand corrected, second worse, EVER.

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11-26-2012 , 11:13 PM

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PokerSlut

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Originally Posted by ship

standard over raked side game with ballin big ego'ed douchebags throwing money around carelessly for image. (occasionally) hot cocktail waitress/massage girls , most of whom are pros for the right ticket, free booze n free food. attracts a bunch of 'rich' ish guys out here in oc / la.

rake = not sustainably beatable, but it's hard to find people who go off for repeated buy ins like these types

I can understand why these games go in NYC and similar locales (Texas), but I still cannot figure out how all the horrendous raked private games manage to stay in operation here in LA. What is so hard about driving 15 minutes to a casino? It doesn't make sense to me.

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11-26-2012 , 11:19 PM

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dirty moose

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Originally Posted by PokerSlut

I can understand why these games go in NYC and similar locales, but I still cannot figure out how all the horrendous raked private games manage to stay in operation here in LA. What is so hard about driving 15 minutes to a casino? It doesn't make sense to me.

One thing, CREDIT.

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11-27-2012 , 12:08 AM

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Shagadelic

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Is this a SI based game then?

Any of the bigger games (larger than 5/10) in the city do not have such a large guido/douchebag concentration...

And most big games are PLO Rotation so you do not have as many tight grinders sniping. But rakes are accurate. 5% to 300 was the worst rake I saw (minus the uncapped rake games in Brooklyn)

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11-27-2012 , 12:21 AM

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dzikijohnny

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More episodes please. Or just make a fiction show like this it was great.

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11-27-2012 , 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shagadelic

All the principal people featured in the documentary are from Staten Island. The initial game is held there in what appears to be someone's house. The game then moves to Brooklyn and finally at episode's end to Manhattan, as we're told over and over that the host is looking for a better, safer location to grow his game (remember, this is a game he only receives "tips" for).