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Old 02-14-2014, 11:47 PM   #1
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My Vision for the Poker World

Itís been quite a while since I have posted on here, but itís time to let bygones be bygones and move forward. Iím not sure that I will be a regular poster on here, I never really have been, but if there is something I feel the need to chime in on, Iíll do so.

There has been a lot of talk recently about the state of poker, sparked by Joe Hachemís comments, and I think itís great to have a healthy discussion on where we are at and what we can do collectively to help promote the game we all love. If you havenít read Phil Galfondís blog yet, please do, itís extremely well written and right on point. He does a great job of illustrating the strengths and weaknesses of the old school and the new school.

It all got me to thinking about what is my vision for a poker world that works? Not to say that it doesnít right now, but what is my vision for a poker world that works. It goes something like this:

My vision for a poker world that works is one where the professionals are aligned in their goals to work together to make sure we arenít just taking, but also giving back for the greater good. A world where amateurs look forward to sitting at a table with the pros to both satisfy their competitive spirit as well as be entertained. A world that they feel comfortable and encouraged to join without fear of humiliation or embarrassment. A world where the game is fun first and a competitive endeavor second. A world where players think about whats best for everyone first, understanding that in the end they will benefit from that as well.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:49 PM   #2
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Sounds like a good Choice of goals.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:50 PM   #3
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Hippie.
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:50 PM   #4
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Whats up daniel!?
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:55 PM   #5
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Sounds paradoxical to me.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:06 AM   #6
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Sounds paradoxical to me.
it doesn't have to be. the hardest part is getting everyone to agree on what the greater good means. that's where communities like this are important.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:13 AM   #7
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A world where the game is fun first and a competitive endeavor second.
Exactly. Visualize whirled peas.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:14 AM   #8
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If Daniel isn't banned then he surely isn't the type to shy away from using his real name original account to speak.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:17 AM   #9
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Sounds paradoxical to me.
I believe there is a win-win once you understand the motivation behind why certain people play. Pros play to make money, pay their bills and build a bankroll so they can create a good quality of life. I think amateurs play because they want to have fun, get better, and maybe have dreams of getting lucky and winning big money.

I believe that once you identify the motives you can start to look closely at things that are in line with both groups motivation, as well as things that wouldn't be. For example:

Berating an amateur for making a bad play. That's not in line with anyone's vision. The amateur isn't going to enjoy that, which makes him less likely to return which means that hurts the pros vision, which is to make more money.

Conversely, an amateur sits down that no one has seen before. The pros at the table say hello, ask him what his name is, where he is from, what he does for a living, and make him feel included in the table banter. This creates a friendly environment where the new player feels comfortable, is more likely to have fun, which in turn means the pros will likely profit from that while this new player is in the learning curve phase of his poker playing.

Plenty of examples like this, but if we think about each one in terms of what works for everyone, that's an excellent starting point IMO.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:26 AM   #10
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Re: My Vision for the Poker World

I'm in the amateur category.

But if I were a pro, wouldn't it be in my best interest to maximize my EV at each poker game I play in. Attack the amateurs, seat select relative to the amateurs, and so on. Let other pros sacrifice EV for the greater good. Not worry about the future but concentrate on the present because as a pro I wouldn't think of it as a long term gig.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:29 AM   #11
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I'm in the amateur category.

But if I were a pro, wouldn't it be in my best interest to maximize my EV at each poker game I play in. Attack the amateurs, seat select relative to the amateurs, and so on. Let other pros sacrifice EV for the greater good. Not worry about the future but concentrate on the present because as a pro I wouldn't think of it as a long term gig.
Here lies the problem. If everyone thought that will destroy the game. We used to call these types of players "nits" or "parasites" that only look out for their best interest. Of course what they are doing isn't illegal, but I also don't believe it's in their best interest long term, or even short term.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:37 AM   #12
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It's him/ check his twitter.

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I Think that it is a good idea but not very feasible because in poker a majority of people are looking out for only themselves and many people do not understand that making the game more entertaining for recreational players or amateur players is better for the longevity of poker growth. I believe many think short term more than long term
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:41 AM   #13
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Plus. You are both Canadians.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:42 AM   #14
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Fun fact: I was the person who first got DN to post on here way back in 2004 after I sent him a hand history to analyze.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:43 AM   #15
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link to philly g's blog?
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