@Max

I'm surprised you pulled together the list of creditors so quickly.

Does this mean you kept note of everyone you already owed (and how much you owed them) while continuing to take money from others, or did you type up this list from memory?

The answer is important, but there has to be additional transparency regardless of what it is.

Given how notoriously difficult it has been to get paid by you, it's entirely possible that there are some people out there who have simply given up hope of seeing their money again, or who don't know about this thread yet. Those people need to be protected.

At the very least, someone reputable has to be shown your full list. Another idea would be to list the dollar amounts as you have done; as well as a fully transparent, separate list of creditors, unattached to how much they are owed. This would give them anonymity over the amount they are owed (could be anything from $200-$22k) while providing full transparency to the forum, allowing us to see if you have failed to include anyone we know of on the list.

You also need to provide a payment plan. Do you currently have enough money to pay back everyone on the list? If not, you need to state what your course of action is going to be.

Finally, when I eventually received my money back from you it was sent on Stars from a screen name I didn't recognise. I know of others who have received money you owed them from screennames they didn't recognise. Was this a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul? Have these people been paid back by you or are they also on the creditors list?

Today Max sent me some screen shots of his bank account and assuming list he provided is accurate or at least close he has enough to pay back his creditors. I don't know why he ran up like he did, but after talking with him a bit I now believe his intentions are to pay everyone back and soon.

and I'll gladly provide more evidence if needed, someone logging into my bank account - call the bank (pref someone german who can speak the language) or whatever there is needed to prove that Im going to pay everyone back. Like I said since Im dealing with quite a lot of people atm it will take me few days to get this started (since I do not want to bother sending people 100-200 at a time for weeks and weeks and rather get it done at once).

David,

I know people who I owe money to, I still remember people I went to kindergarten with. Based on memory. Ill make it more transparent later today. I will also send a full list to either Patrick or whoever wants to see if (people I owe money to).

Also, that is correct. some people recvd from account which isnt mine, some people I asked for a favor because of personal matters (family) and there was 1-2 people who owed me a smaller amount that were paying people back for me (Im sure this person can post ITT if needed).

All this talk doesnt mean anything right now and Im fully aware of that, but I will prove to everyone that I will take care of this and get it done.

And if there is more prove to be needed (bank statements, whatever) I will gladly provide that (pref to someone like Pat who I can trust and have known for a long time. I will provide whatever is asked for and needed (to the people I owe money too, not responding/interacting with trolls)

@Max

I'm sure you understand why I had to ask those questions. With so much money at stake and so many people involved, it would be very easy for you to innocently forget one or two folk or get some figures wrong, even if you did have an excellent memory. Further transparency is in your own interest as it would protect both the creditors and your own integrity by making it easy to ensure that everyone can be accounted for.

Regarding those who received money from accounts that were not yours, I think this is something you'll need to address further in your payment plan. You said your Stars account was constantly over its transfer limit so I can understand the need for favors from other people if you're going to pay everyone back; but it would be in your own interests to clarify your situation with these people who did (or will be doing) favors for you, because no-one else can be left out of pocket for any length of time from here on out.

Also, about our WC bet. It ought to be pretty obvious as to why I didn't send you the winnings. I'm happy to send them to a mutually agreed creditor of yours (I've already tried this and was refused), otherwise I'll send them to you the day this mess is resolved.

Thanks for your reply.

Can't believe he still owes kids from kindergarten

Really hope you stick to your word. Good luck with this bud, like I said before, maybe people won't trust you n loan you $ anymore, but, you won't lose everyone's respect. We all make mistakes, sometimes we get in deeper than we thought we could've. But its not too late to correct the situation and hopefully end all of this on a good note.

Take care and good luck.

If, as you seem to be saying, you have the money to pay everyone back but are holding off paying are you using this money as your poker bankroll?

Why has no one asked, or why has max not explained wtf is going on here. Am I the only 1 that finds this entire thing crazy that he keeps stealing money from all these people, and everyone seems to be ok with this because he is telling us he will pay it all back? I guess if I ever have a "family issue" its open season to steal money from dozens of people over and over. Can you please tell us why you stole all this money if you have enough in your bank account to pay everyone back...

Yeah, this is really weird. If what Max is saying is true, (and I obviously hope it is) wouldn't it be the first time that someone racked up a ton of debt with a couple dozen different people and kept giving excuses long enough to have a scammer thread made about them - and then just had the money chillin in a bank account somewhere?

Bummer.

If he had the money he was probably working on his bank interests by keeping other persons money on his accounts.
Best way to get a positive winrate, unlike poker.

Err, don't see my amount on the list Max :\

I'm not at a computer atm but i'll post something later. Also, andrew I wasnt sure of the exact amt so I wanted to recheck with you before posting. I just wanted to put it out.(the list) should've gotten in contact eith you sooner but had 5000 people bombarding me. I'll make sure to post a list w initials/ etc tomorrow and also Im going to start repaying people on monday/tuesday (have already started w smaller amounts). Just trying to get all of this sorted as quickly as possible so i can clear my name. Of course i wont be snapping a finger and have this all resolved but i hope everyone will see that i'm serious about making this right and fixing everything.

why did this happen?

weak mindset, no bankrollmanagement, the feeling "I was a loser, noone respected me, but now I have money and I show all people that I made it.."

I feel extremely sorry for Max. I know he seems like a douchebag to everyone, and I do agree that everyone is responsible for their own actions but what is clear is that he has an extremely bad gambling problem.

Same as Brad Booth and all the others that have been 'outed' on 2+2.

I've seen some very close friends of mine get into the same crap. Their intention is to pay, but to pay they have to borrow from others to pay, and sometimes they borrow an amount that isn't good enough, so they think they can play with that amount and get it up so they can pay everyone back.

The vicious circle goes on and on.

More importantly, I don't like it when lenders complain that they've been scammed. You're giving money to a person who is gambling with it, so you for a start should face the consequences.

Max isn't entitled to pay anyone anything by the way (correct me if I'm wrong, but in Egypt, as long as there isn't a legal document, there's nothing). But he's trying to make amends and trying to pay everyone back.

It's hard for people like Max to be outed like that. It's hard but it's the best thing that could happen to him because I highly doubt that people would give him any money now.

Good luck to him and to the ones getting paid.

But for ****s sake, stop lending gamblers money.

awesome post Cursed

Most rediculous post I've read in a long time.

Sympathy for Max and it annoys you when loaners complain about getting scammed. Hope this was a troll for your sake

Yes sympathy for Max because it's clear he has an addiction. It's a disease. And yes the people lending him money shouldn't really complain because they're giving a gambler his worst enemy.

It's literally like giving a drug addict heroin.

Like I said, he is responsible for his stupid actions HOWEVER, we should try to help someone who has a problem rather than call him a scammer.

Also I find it ridiculous that you can't spell ridiculous.

Pretty sure Max gambles for a living. So if he has no money to gamble, he will have no way to earn a living. Obviously he hit a major downswing and had to start borrowing at some point, which lead to borrowing from others to repay previous loans. Even if he currently has enough money to repay everyone he owes, he's not going to want to give away all that money and effectively take himself out of action.

I give him credit for posting and talking about making an effort to repay everyone he owes, but he'll probably have to have some sort of big score to be able to actually do it.

Wow, cursed you really believe no one has a right to complain?

I take on board what you say about it being a disease, if he does in deed have a gambling problem, but I'm not sure people who leant him money in good faith have no right to complain, particularly those who may not have known about his problems.

I should point out I haven't read all of this thread and do not know any of the people involved but like I said, people have every right to complain in my opinion, from I have read.

Lastly, I hope you sort this out max. On the face of it, it at least looks like you are trying too, so fair play for that. However, in some people's eyes your reputation will have been damaged beyond repair and that is what will probably hurt you the most.

So by that messed up logic a paedophile should be sympathised with because they have an illness and are somehow less responsible for thier actions. The things Max has done were his decisions and his alone, he knew the implications and he should be held accountable for them. People like you coming in here who I'm guessing don't even know Max personally or have ever had any financial dealings with him shouldn't be allowed to come here and try and diminish his responsibility knowing very little about the guy or what was said and how it went down here. You do realise that when you post something like this you are actually hurting the chances of others being repaid by removing pressure from him and as a result you are part of the problem.

Not everyone who scams has a condition or an illness, unless that illness is being an ar$ehole who only cares about himself. You will have to forgive my spelling, I know your much smarter than me, I wasted my years at uni getting my dumba$$ degree in astrophysics.

You do realise that not one of us really knew Max when we loaned him the $$. We didn't know he was a huge degenerate and admittidely none of us did enough research before loaning him the $$ that was clearly a mistake. None of us knew he owed out 6 figures would have give him a cent if we knew even half the truth.

Noone knew what they were getting into and your post is a slap in the face to everyone who got burnt by this

I dont know what would be weirder. He has the money and pay everyone on monday like he said. (Why all this bs than?) Or he does not have it and try'd stalling for a couple more days? Both just seem very silly.

should we also help you and send you some books? cause u seem to have the problem of being incredibly stupid.