It's not really my call to out people who have been scammed as many of them have told me specifically they don't want to be involved in this but I know of approx another $50k owed and I haven't even been looking for people who had been scammed so I'm Pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Only reason I posted this was to raise awareness and prevent future grims because hes contacted a decent amount of my skype and facebook friends over the last couple of months with some tall story and I'm sure there are many more I don't know about.

I feel pretty much exactly the same way, it seems clear that Max has taken advantage of a lot of people (myself included) who considered him a friend.

Needless to say I am disappointed in myself for not realising sooner what was going on, as a lot of his behaviour becomes clearer in retrospect. I am also both sad and disgusted by the apparent extent of the amount he owes.

Since this thread went up he hasn't been in touch with me, in spite of getting in touch either a day or two before then asking to borrow money, I think that says it all really.

I think Max needs to make a post honestly and clearly setting out how much he owes to various people, how he managed to lose so much money and how he intends to pay everyone back.

Is he really broke or hidding 100k under his bed ?

Because it's really immoral to scam people but it's even worse if you had money and simply wanted to rob them.
I know whether you had the money or not you made the same action but in one case it's because you were simply broke, on the other it's simply for the sake of stealing people when you didn't necessarly "need" that money and you could live without it.

The only good point if he had money and wasn't completely broke is that people might have a bigger chance of getting paid back.

I am not broke, although I dont have as much money as I used to. Theres quite a few reasons why I handled things the way I did and non of them are excusable. I cant change the past but Im going to do my best to pay everyone back within the next few weeks. Im in contact with all the people I owe money to and am figuring out ways to pay everyone back. (online sites/wire etc). it will take me a few days to get it all in order but Ill prove that I will make up for what ive done and have everyone paid back shortly.

I know it wont matter to the people that you are paying back, but where did the money that you have now come from?

Good stuff on communicating. I hope to hear that you follow through.

hi max....i think we played a few hands for fun on nature one a few yrs ago...hope u get threw this..u seemed like a nice guy..and ur no chino...gl

I visited the US about two months ago and told the US Skype group, of which Max/Mick/Sean/others were involved in, and we made plans to meet up. I haven't been involved very much in the poker community since starting my last semester of uni in February, and quit poker entirely in July before my trip. Mick and Sean haven't been involved extensively at all for numerous years, though they dabble a bit on Bovada.

I can't speak for both of them, but I found out Max owed a good friend of mine a decent amount for a long time. Max had made strides to pay him back, albeit giving the same ring around and guilt trip most others seem to be having, and long after getting the initial loan. While I was semi uncomfortable hanging around with Max with this knowledge, I thought Max had paid him back in full, or was making an active effort to continue doing so. It appears this was a lie. I did not know the extent of his debt, though the friend advised me of rumblings from others. With my unease of the situation and me stepping away from poker I did not try and involve myself further, which in hindsight was an error on my part.

Theres a good reason why stats are blocked



thats just cash games on stars alone, think it paints a pretty clear picture. Would love to see what the sng graph looks like.

I don't have anything invested in this anymore and was just getting the word out so will just leave this thread for the rest of you and gl getting that $$ back

Most of this is from 5 years ago when i lost like 200k playing cash lol. And also the reason i have my stats blocked because of taxes as every german not moving has done that, and even german ppl who moved have. Im pretty sure everyone can confirm this.

Intrigued by the above I just Sharkscoped the first German online grinder who popped into my head and low and behold their stats are visible for all to see, they certainly aren't blocked. So it seems every online German player has blocked their online stats apart from the first one to come into my head. #Lad

Most of them have relocated to Austria, Malta or the UK. I dont know if you are aware of our tax situation but in the german forum pokerstrategy people do not even give out their names when they sell % because they are afraid that people will get into trouble with it.(that the gov will read their posts) The point is, Ive had my stats blocked for probably 3-4 years and this is because of the Taxes, and Im sure anyone who is a german grinder who does this for a living will confirm this with me (unless they are incredibly stupid and want to get caught and get into trouble), but this isnt really the point here.

...the dates in the screenshot suggest that at least -$55K of it is from Nov 2013 to present. Not that that really matters, I guess -- seems like he was just posting it as a possible answer to the question of what happens to all the money you borrow. But anyway, I'll also drop out now since I don't have any vested interest; you seem like an alright guy who wants to make this right - hope you get these people paid back.

Me too. Hope this all gets sorted out for anyone kind enough to lend you money.

can a mod fix the thread title for search purposes, his name is misspelled

it should be Heinzelmann

You guys are crazy if you think you are getting this money back in a timely fashion

fwiw I don't think the government can tax on losses. So you lose $256k playing cash 5 years back and another amount over 6 figs playing hu sngs also in this time period, so this is over $350k at the very minimum lost all before your ept success. Did You have a very big bankroll prior to your ept success? How much did you win playing mtt's online before the ept stuff?? This would mean at the very minimum you had won $350k in online mtt's whilst having all of your own action and not cashing any out or using any of this money for anything other than spewing off in the highstakes. This could be entirely possible because I didn't play much back in these days so maybe you won some wcoop stuff I never knew about but I never heard of your online results being that great but then again I never really asked.

and yer sorry I know I said I'd drop out but when I read one of your posts it just snap turns me into this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC2rmpiAsjs

Maybe you could find religion, then all should be forgiven

I won the Sunday 500 in April that year for 92k, that year got 2nd in the PLO FTOPS for 50k and Won the sunday 100r on the day of the wcoop main for over 80k plus I had another few scores for a decent amount and at first I ran hot and won at 5k hu sngs (and was up over 50kish) b4 I lost a lot. Not the entire 256k in cash is from 2009, but Id say at least 150-180 (at least) is. and I got staked after that bc I didnt have much $ at that time and then I got deep into makeup and then I binked the EPTs. check pokertableratings (not sure if that still works but yea) there u can see that most of my cg losses came in 2009. but not sure what the pt of this conversation is anyway, just saying this graph is mostly from after my big scores in 2009 and not from now.

if your not broke and you have money to pay people back in the next few weeks why were you trying to loan money from a poster in this thread just a day/few days b4 this thread went up?

yea Max, if you're not broke and have the 3k you owe me, then I would like it please.

this is something I know to be true as well. Most of the germans I know (which aren't many but def some of the more known HS grinders or whatever) and they've either all relocated or also hid their stats for the same reason.

At that, it makes no difference to this, hope you get this taken care of Max and it all ends on a more positive note. You may not have the trust of everyone again, but you may not lose everyone's respect either if you take care of this. So just make it right and hopefully move forward from this.

so, wait. you have the money and arent broke, yet you stole from a ton of people and havent paid them back yet?

makes a lot of sense.

if you have the money, contact the people you owe and pay them off. if you dont have it all, pay everyone 30% 50% 75% or whatever, and keep in contact. make a google spreadsheet of all your debts and add all the people on the list. its gonna take some work, but you got yourself into this mess, and only you can get yourself out of it.

no one cares about german tax stuff or all your lies. just start paying people back and stop stalling. transparency.

I wasn't going to chime in because I don't really have anything new to add, but **** it.

Loaned him 1k almost a year ago, and luckily got it back after around 7 weeks. Like PartsUnknown he made it seem like it was a privilege to lend him money, the chat logs I have are some of the dumbest **** you will see.

After that he tried time and time again to get loans (I was obviously done with him), and had been warning people not to do business with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of his money has gone to sports betting, as we discussed it some. I don't know what his angle was here exactly, but he was very forcibly trying to give me his 'tips'...I can only think if one of these had won he was going to ask for a cut or something. Despicable really.

Funny story, I was at the Rio late on day1b of the main event and I run into Max hanging about in the corridor. Low and behold his wire didn't arrive in time and he needed 10k to play the main. I remember Pat Mahoney (I think that's PartsUnknown) coming up during our convo and wondering if Max owed him money, seeing as Max didn't ask him for a loan lol.

Max also asked me for a loan of 2k a few days ago before unfriending me on Facebook.

I just feel sorry for all those that he owes money to, and hope you somehow get paid back. He should have been outed a long time ago in my opinion, but I never really felt it was my place and didn't really have any solid evidence.

There is always the risk of those that are owed money to not get paid back once someone has been outed, but the only way people were getting paid back was Max loaning more money (seems that way anyway). That seems like the only reason he hasn't been outed until before now, seeing as this must've been going on a year plus.