Do you know who the owners of Badbeat are? As a player for them I was never sure on who actually owned it, and what their background was. I was under the impression it was a hedge fund based on some old Financial Times articles.

I was dealing with the operations manager at badbeat, who appeared to be helpful but always came back with "waiting for my boss to get back to me" or "waiting for Auqa to reply".

There certainly didn't feel like badbeat had any urgency over the matter.

I have come to the end of my patience with badbeat, as I'd like to get this matter resolved and dealt with in a quicker time frame. I honestly do not know if they are holding back info from me, or if they have been given the run around.

To add, badbeat continued to sponsor me after this issue, as they firmly believed I was not colluding. They made it very clear that if at any stage they thought I had done, they would throw me out. This never happened.

1 more thing:

Can you expound upon this please

Who/what prevents you posting this document?
Ipoker?Grandslam?Badbeat?

Seems strange badbeat are not doing more as it is basically half their money. I am assuming the deal you had with them was 50/50.

I know badbeat players get a program that tells them when another bad beat member is at the same table. I wonder if this is why they are not paying out.

These type of promotions are terrible.

If I were a site I'd be 100% paranoid about people cheating to win it and if I were a player I'd be worried that if I managed to win it I'd be falsely accused of cheating.

That page gets updated once in a blue moon, I was never on it in the first place. (they asked me to fill in a questionnaire for it a few weeks ago, despite having played for them for 6 months!)

However, I did leave badbeat (on my own accord) a few days ago. A number of reasons, the main one was they weren't offering me what I needed and I could get a better arrangement elsewhere. But part of it was the way they handled this situation yes.

ipoker do not want their "investigation" techniques to be made public. I am holding off publishing the document until I get legal advice.

However, the document itself was in size 14 font, an awful font face, written in long blocks, followed by short sentences, had no heading or footer and no logo.

I believe it got altered before I received it, or ipoker have no quality control.

I knew them 4 years ago when I lived in London.

As I said before, the main owner is about as straightforward a guy possible. Yes it is a financial firm whose net worth makes BadBeat look very very very tiny.

The president/CEO of Badbeat, I also knew back then. He, like the owner is a very straightforward guy. I had minor disagreements with them over some small stuff, but nothing in my experience with them would ever lead me to question their integrity, especially over a sum of $$ SO small (to them, not to you or me).

Before you lawyer up or go trying shake Canadian Indian Tribe's trees for help, had you considered making a trip to their offices in London for a face to face?

HAHA. Fair enough.

Hmmmmmm. Ok. So for at least the time being, you are choosing to not publish it. That also is fair enough.

Where did you play for badbeat afterwards?

They are based in Yorkshire now, they moved a year ago. I have considered it, but I've also had conference calls with the top guys at badbeat which have gone nowhere.

Its mixed signals from them, and I can't make sense of it. They believe I didn't collude, as myself and the other player were kept on with 100% backing. However, badbeat seem to have given up on fighting the case. Despite the fact that by law the operator has to go through a dispute process. The issue lies in the fact that the operator is technically badbeat, but its not the skin who is refusing to pay. Its ipoker refussing to pay the skin.

It all gets a bit messy and confusing as to who is responsible.

Dusk till dawn (boss), Ladbrokes, Betfair

the more I read the more I have no idea what's really going on in this thread any more. generally it doesn't work that way for me.

gl getting it sorted thru to all parties involved.

Ahh, didn't know they moved to Yorkshire, but it makes sense as the CEO's primary buisiness was up there.

As for the rest it still doesn't add up for me.

They don't believe you were colluding.
It's 50% their money.
They stopped fighting.
????????????

Unless things have changed significantly, back when they 1st started, 4.5 years ago, the owner was the type of guy who could get CEOs of Poker networks/companies on the phone within an hour. Not CS reps, or marketing reps, or OPS guys, but CEOs.

This really doesn't make much sense.

This situation intrigues me.

perhaps you should PM me your MSN and we should chat.

This email is from David Conroy, the Chief Operating Officer at Badbeat:



This was sent on the 4th Jan, since then no word from Badbeat despite me asking twice.