First of all, I have been a lurker on this (and other) sites for years, but never been compeled to post. I view through this and other sites to 1) get relivant poker information that cannot be found in NW Michigan (man it is cold): 2) be amussed by the "entertainment/gossip section" and 3) ocasionally try to gain some poker knowledge.

Being a first time poster I am sure I will get flamed for having an opinion (and my spelling and the length), but I am going to throw it out there.

Like i said, I come here, to find out about PH and Druff having a tif, what site is "compermised" this week, who is playing Ivey at insane levels I cannot imagine, how much was won and lost on golf courses in Vegas, what bathroom are occupied in the Bellagio, and as much as I hate to admit it, who is "staking" what young semi-hot female this week and where can I find a good deal on a purple heart.

I have visited NWP, to see if there is a different take on something, but the content of the forums is not for me. IMO the level of maturity is something that does not apeal to me, for similar reason I do not watch Jackass or South Park. "It is what it is," just not for me.

It seems, though, that 2+2, it the last six months has drfited more and more in that direction, led by DS. DS wants to be NWP but has no chance competing in there game, they are better at immaturity and now, the powers that be have decided that "2+2is above this level", and are taking action with the banning of those associated with the very direction that DS was trying to take this site.

What I remember from Druff's post was he "brought something to the table", if I am not mistaken, he brought new and relevant information here on Absolute, correct? I am pretty sure he has also brought post that contained new information that were the "meat" of many post.

My conclusion to make everyone happy: A TRADE: DS goes to NWP and be in charge of the female poker division and not be bother with actual poker information that 2+2 wants in its forum, and D Druff can come to 2+2 to deal with real poker information and not have to deal with the immatuity that exist over there. Malmuth, you would be getting best of trade and may have to throw is a first round draft pick or two, but make it happen.

Lol, he got banned from a poker forum. Maybe he should go take up a hobby and move on.

This is the Internet, kids.

Six kids and you spend your time reading (and participating?) in that crap on NWP? Wow.

Mason and Mat seem to make it clear that Druff is not banned for his mere association with NWP. Druff is a principal in the site and has the power to determine the content that is posted on the site. When he says that Druff must disassociate himself with the site to be welcomed back here, I take that to mean his ownership/control interest in the site. To fully disassociate himself he will likely have to completely withdraw. Obviously, this is not in Druff's financial interest and will never happen.

While Druff has defended his involvement in the Sklasky/Brandi/Sue debacle, he still owns, operates and manages a site that has permitted content to be posted that has been hurtful towards Sue, her mother and others. Druff's position that he was not an active participant in any of the slanderous content posted on NWP loses merit when he operates an open forum permitting the posting of such content.

Druff has a direct financial incentive to want to post here. His readership at NWP is dependant on reaching poker players. 2+2 is a great avenue for him to do this. The banning by Mason is his way of standing up against the hatred that is posted at NWP. Druff has made many good and interesting posts on 2+2, but the site has also allowed him to plug his radio show and generate traffic to NWP.

I will miss Druff as a poster because I think he adds value. Mason has taken a hardline stance against him. It is fully within his right. It is also fully within our rights to disagree with that position and stop reading/posting here. Mason is aware of this, but the banning hurts Druff a lot more than it hurts 2+2.

agreed. but when those same ppl bring the same mentality here, it makes 2+2look a lot like that site u all keep referring to, but I really have no desire to see.

and unless u have a split personality, I really don't see u can be one way on one site and all of a sudden an upstanding individual on here.

and yes, u keep posting "there" and all these other "newbies" who are writing for the very first time. right.

why not post under your real names? afraid u might be banned?

i enjoy nwp for the trash can that it is, however ,i dont post hate or racist posts there or anywhere for that matter. just because i enjoy posting on nwp how does that make me unable to post on 2+2 as long as i follow the rules??? i am not afraid to be banned , im not sure why that is even a concern as i have done nothing wrong here. i am just stating my opinion in a respectful manner.

If this were true, I'd have less of a problem with the bannings, but I don't believe it is.

Mason knew, or should have known, of Druff's involvement in NWP a long time ago. Where was his moral outrage at the "hate" then?

His newfound stand seems more to do with an attempt to punish Micon, through Druff, than ridding the internet of "hate" sites or ridding 2+2 of proponents of hate sites.

He's trying to punish them for what was posted about Sklansky (by Sklansky), not the immature, racist, sexist, hateful things have been going on there from the site's inception.

As owner of this site, that's his prerogative. But let's call a spade a spade.

Druff has been banned, not because of any 2+2 rule he broke or anything he posted at NWP, but simply because he's a part owner of the site.

Had they never mentioned the Sklansky debacle, Druff would still be here.

well this is kinda harsh: "owners lie and cover up the truth";
pray, then, tell us what the "truth" is.

but if this really is your first time posting, then welcome; I just find it kinda funny all these newbies, "im posting for the first time," are so pro-whatever-that-site-is that they are compelled to post by their outrage.

so, then the bannings had the desired effect of keeping the haters off and driving new traffic to the new-and-improved site.

then it's all good.

i never said it was my first time posting. i have posted a little bit in the few months i have been a member here. i also dont post much at nwp the 3 + years i have been a member there . either way im not sure what that has to do with this issue. as far as this being a new and improved site, i guess ppl will read what they want into that. if new and improved means covering things up under the guise of "improving the site" then yes this is new and improved. i guess some ppl like having their " truths" spoon fed to them. good luck with that.imo.obv

No. NWP is clearly a place that is not only damaging to the poker industry in general, but to the community of poker players in particular.

We have had a number of posts which state that I have it wrong when it comes to Druff, and that he's really a quality person. If that's the case, he'll either dissasociate himself from all the hate, or begin the process of cleaning it up.

When Druff does this, he can be reinstated here. Otherwise, Two Plus Two has no interest in him participating on our forums.

And one final thing. If this sort of stand hurts us in the short run, that's fine with us. I have been in this business a long time and on many occasions have refused to compromise my principles so that Two Plus Two could make a little extra money. This includes not publishing books whose advice we thought was questionable, refusing to accept advertising from groups we thought were questionable, and not lining up behind certain poker organizations who we had questions about.

So if our stand here against hate and those whose only purpose appears to be deriving pleasure by hurting others, even people they don't know, bothers you or you have some issues with it, then keep in mind that your participation here is your own decision. You are free to come and go as you choose, and no one requires you to purchase any of our products.

MM

the problem is that its not druffs site to clean up. it belongs to tony g correct? micon has more stake in nwp than druff. at this point druff is little more than a moderator there. if he deleted everything that OTHERS posted that was deemed derogatory he would never be able to leave the house. its not his site to clean up is the point thats missing here. that would be like asking you to not let sklansly post unless he refrained from posting about his sexual relations with under aged girls/brandi/sue ..oh wait , you did do that . my bad. like i said in a previous post , i understand why you are covering up all of sklansky's dirt, its bad for business . which is what all this is about at the end of the day . right??

Is this true? DS was banging a 16 year old?

Oh thanks I get it now, so NWP and Druff just became a hate filled site last weekend. It wasn't one when he was a contributer during the Ap scandel.

shhhh..stop it ..you are making sense...