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Old 04-13-2009, 10:54 PM   #181
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Re: Microgaming poker scandal: licensee in liquidation, and poker players abandoned and owed $5

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After UIGEA, there were 12 states from which players were technically banned from playing on Microgaming, so that had something to do with it.
Your own SI (Safety Instructions), your PH (Personal Healthy) ,you (Person Not Willing To Get Killed), they are all saying you are an ass (The Donkey).
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:05 PM   #182
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Your own SI (Safety Instructions), your PH (Personal Healthy) ,you (Person Not Willing To Get Killed), they are all saying you are an ass (The Donkey).
Elaborate code? Who's good at deciphering?
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Old 04-14-2009, 01:29 PM   #183
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Microgaming should stand up for this mess. They are responsible
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:50 PM   #184
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Boycott Microgaming thieves!
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Old 04-14-2009, 07:40 PM   #185
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Euhm, im playing on a micro/prima skin(tellpoker)

its a weird scheme were the players have shares of the company(i have 21) , they should be in the stocks this fall...

but - any risks of this hapenning again? I understood that the affiliates of tusk got analed, but arent I doing business with micro exclusively?
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:27 PM   #186
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Euhm, im playing on a micro/prima skin(tellpoker)

its a weird scheme were the players have shares of the company(i have 21) , they should be in the stocks this fall...

but - any risks of this hapenning again? I understood that the affiliates of tusk got analed, but arent I doing business with micro exclusively?
Yup, there certainly is a chance this could happen again.

We didn't know about Tusk, their name wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE, so there's no telling really what's going on behind the scenes.

Particularly if there's fraud involved.
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:14 AM   #187
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Can the Unibet rep please clarify something here. Are the player funds for players at Unibet held in trust in segregated accounts for the players or not?
Hi,

Unibet controls it's players finances. Microgaming have no control over them.

We, being a public listed company, have everything transparent regarding these sorts of facts.
Go to our corporate website or get a copy of our yearly accounts. It's all in there.

We have nothing to hide.
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:34 AM   #188
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You haven't addressed any of the points made against your post. You say you're not an apologist for microgaming but given that you clearly hadn't thought through any of this enough to defend your words, the only reason you could have for posting was jumping to defence of microgaming and your own business interest.
By making a point I addressed it.

Makes no difference if I say whether I am or not an apologist for MG. You guys have already made your minds up regarding this, so is tedious and a waste of time for me to justify anything.

Because I work for Unibet then, surprise surprise, my interests do lie there. I believe in loyalty. You would be surprised what loyalty buys you in life. Some of you should try it....
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:08 AM   #189
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By making a point I addressed it.

Makes no difference if I say whether I am or not an apologist for MG. You guys have already made your minds up regarding this, so is tedious and a waste of time for me to justify anything.

Because I work for Unibet then, surprise surprise, my interests do lie there. I believe in loyalty. You would be surprised what loyalty buys you in life. Some of you should try it....
I feel loyal with the players who lost money in this mess. How could anyone be loyal with the poker companies in this situation? Your post is sickening. And I'm almost certain that players funds are not held in trust at Unibet, so they are not safe in case of insolvency.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:59 AM   #190
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You would be surprised what loyalty buys you in life. Some of you should try it....
I wish microgaming would try it.
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:36 AM   #191
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By making a point I addressed it.

Makes no difference if I say whether I am or not an apologist for MG. You guys have already made your minds up regarding this, so is tedious and a waste of time for me to justify anything.

Because I work for Unibet then, surprise surprise, my interests do lie there. I believe in loyalty. You would be surprised what loyalty buys you in life. Some of you should try it....
I'm confused first you tell us the poker industry is dog eat dog and microgaming has every right to screw over their loyal players (I've paid them thousands in rake (not including my share of rake to my skin or TUSK).

So you are suggesting to us to be loyal? WTF is that? How would trying to be loyal accomplish anything. I've had 5 figures STOLEN from me, and no one gives a **** except my fellow players who have also had their money stolen. And your suggestion to us is to try and be loyal? Are you this clueless or are you just trying to put me on tilt? I mean seriously you ask us to be loyal... we are the one's who have been left in the dark by everyone. MGS has offered us no help what so ever, never gave us details about tusk or even offered to help us prove our existing balances.

Seriously... I am so tilted...
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:01 AM   #192
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Why are these pro-Microgaming posts so "factual"? You do not know that this is a fact. Microgaming's spectacular lack of due diligence on Tusk may well be a legal weakness. Do you know for a "fact" that it isn't?

You're comparing the legitimate business of poker to the illegitimate loss of these players' funds. How is the legitimate analogous with the illegitimate?

But I have cited two instances where Microgaming did JUST THIS. How do you square this fact - and it is a FACT, not your speculation - with your statement above?

Here's another apparently pretty categorically factual statement that I suspect is speculation. You have insight into an instruction from Microgaming's lawyers to NOT pay the players? I would be flabbergasted if this were the case.
"You do not know that this is a fact. Microgaming's spectacular lack of due diligence on Tusk may well be a legal weakness. Do you know for a "fact" that it isn't?"
My guess is, you have never done due diligence on a company and do not know what is involved.You could have the best due diligence team in the world and they could easily miss something IF the targeted company wants to hide something, before and during operations.. Happens all the time in every industry. Various banks/financial companies pulled off a spectacular cover-up of their dodgy doings and dealings which the best auditors in the world did not pick up on until it was too late..

"You're comparing the legitimate business of poker to the illegitimate loss of these players' funds. How is the legitimate analogous with the illegitimate?" You're saying that not me. I don't agree with you. I think you missed the point..!

"You have insight into an instruction from Microgaming's lawyers to NOT pay the players?".
Never said that either. IE: Lawyers instructed MG to NOT pay players. I said the lawyers got involved and since then its in their hands. What they instructed MG to do and not do, I am not party to...

Regarding Microgamings responsibility for player and operator actions: Until any of you see the legal contract signed between operators and MG.. then please refrain from saying I do or do not know what's in them.

I know what's in them, you guys don't. I am also not in the position to divulge legal agreements between us and MG, so don't ask me to. All I can say, as before, is that Microgaming in not responsible (legally) for rogue player and operator actions etc etc. That's all you need to know with regards to saying Microgaming is "responsible" for the TUSK downfall. If Unibet went broke, for whatever reason, why do you guys think Microgaming would compensate Unibet poker players? 100 euros to the man who shows me why Microgaming would be liable.. legally (goodwill does not count).. Lol.. I pointed this out to stop you guys from wasting so much time trying to prove they are responsible. Whether I or you like it, it's a lost cause guys....

To be honest, you guys all have your own opinions which, I or any other so called "Pro" Microgaming operator, are not going to change.

I am simply being pragmatic, pointing out some "facts" which you are all clearly unaware of or are too blinded by your "hatred" of Microgaming to pay attention to and instead have a go at me..!

So, is a bit like being in a dead-end with no reverse.. Totally pointless, waste of time etc etc. We ain't going anywhere...!
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:08 AM   #193
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Re: Microgaming poker scandal: licensee in liquidation, and poker players abandoned and owed $5

Actually you could change their minds by giving the players their due money.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:22 AM   #194
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Are you really a Unibet representative?

I waited over a year before I contacted my lawyer in my case against you and still you claim Unibet is keen to sort out players' financial situations?

Ref Accountnr.: 9458764 – 2009-00340

Please explain why you give me so much crap over a problem that couldn't even exist at any other pokerroom.
Hi Mate,

Don't know the details of this.

Send some and I can, at least, try and help you out.

Cheers..
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:27 AM   #195
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I feel loyal with the players who lost money in this mess. How could anyone be loyal with the poker companies in this situation? Your post is sickening. And I'm almost certain that players funds are not held in trust at Unibet, so they are not safe in case of insolvency.
I believe it is a condition of EU licensing to hold the players purse in a segregated account.

As for insolvency issues, most of the smaller reputable sites have a lot of transparency of who they are, where they are licensed etc on their websites.

Unibet is a public company, so their financial statements are a matter of public record. After perusing their statements it appears they are a well run company.

In addition, while shareholders can sell at any time, the latest statements indicate that 31.5% of Unibet's shares are held by Swedish financial institutions and 2.5% by the Gov't of Norway. Absolutely no comparison to Tusk who did everything legally possible to hide who they were.
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