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05-15-2009 , 09:37 PM
ya, we're def gonna need you to do some drug testing of your own OP before you post.
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05-15-2009 , 10:37 PM
post of they ear
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05-15-2009 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
but with the drugs he focusses so much BETTER than the rest of us - that is the whole point . Yes he has an illness - noone is suggesting he has good health but why should he be able to profit at expense of well (non medicated ) players
yeah, Mike should be left to suffer with his crippling ADHD and bipolar, you ****ing idiot
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05-15-2009 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
Mike admits dozens of times throughout his book that taking the "Ritalin" prescribed by his doctor for his ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) gives him a huge edge whilst playing poker. He says the drug elevates his consciousness and sustains his focus at superhuman levels for long periods which gives him the ability to do so well. He takes this drug legally and regularly now and is making big money.
Taking any form of mind altering chemical - legal or illegal- in the tournament surely arena gives those with them in their system an unfair edge over those self medicating with blueberries , yoga or just a good nights sleep so I think we should demand routine drug screening before awards of final table bracelets and money at the WSOP. If you read what Mikey says and then start thinking about some of the characters who have made their fame and fortune when they might have been "enhanced" isnt it a very unfair playing field for 7 weeks of what is a mind sport .
I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine which can elevate their poker game to a standard which cannot be attained unless they are ill. By all means allow him to be medicated to lead a happy normal life but is the diagnosis of this condition a through ticket to $$$$$$$$$$$ .
Not so sure about this. I've attempted to player poker on mind-altering chemicals and they generally made me play much worse. Either that, or I always played that poorly yet only noticed once my senses became superhuman.
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05-15-2009 , 11:15 PM
Ritalin = Heart
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05-15-2009 , 11:15 PM
level right?

if not gtfo.....99% of the people using drugs while playing poker are doing -EV drugs...who gives a **** if mike takes a legally prescribed druge.

side note: I don't use drugs and I wouldn't enter if any sort of drug testing was given, personal privacy ftw
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05-15-2009 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by burden2
adderalll huh?

I knew there was some method allowing you people to play 16 tables at once. Judging from the harsh reactions to OP I guess that this drug is fairly popular here.
yea, you pretty much nailed it
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05-15-2009 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RikaKazak
level right?

if not gtfo.....99% of the people using drugs while playing poker are doing -EV drugs...who gives a **** if mike takes a legally prescribed druge.

side note: I don't use drugs and I wouldn't enter if any sort of drug testing was given, personal privacy ftw
This.

IMO, if Mike has a legitimate condition which prevents him from functioning properly, its the other players who are given an unfair advantage if he ISN'T allowed to take his meds. If I had to guess, I'd say the meds simply provide him with a normal level of concentration(it only seems superhuman to him b/c his mind is such a mess without them.)
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05-16-2009 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
but with the drugs he focusses so much BETTER than the rest of us - that is the whole point . Yes he has an illness - noone is suggesting he has good health but why should he be able to profit at expense of well (non medicated ) players
The third time is a charm, man are u for real??

Mike is an icon, he has been thru hell and back. He deservingly won a bracelet, lost weight, and looks to be doing better than ever.

IF this is because of his meds, AMEN to that brother.

Let him play his game and you play yours (with or without focus). That part is totally up to you.
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05-16-2009 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
but with the drugs he focusses so much BETTER than the rest of us - that is the whole point . Yes he has an illness - noone is suggesting he has good health but why should he be able to profit at expense of well (non medicated ) players
see, what you aren't getting here is that what the feeling is to mikey may well be what we feel as normal, being able to concentrate at a NORMAL level. that may feel "super human" to him.
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05-16-2009 , 03:12 AM
So people with ADHD shouldn't be able to play poker while medicated? What about people with depression? Schizophrenics?

4 things would happen

1) Poker economy would die
2) There would be a lot more of angry volatile persecuted unmedicated players at the tables
3) Say goodbye to most of the "well known tv poker pros"
4) Poker economy would die

OP stop being a puss and just worry about your own game. This is poker. Not Baseball.
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05-16-2009 , 03:34 AM
op - your a tool, why do I even read these posts.
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05-16-2009 , 06:14 AM
cocaine helps you play teh pokerz imo
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05-16-2009 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OnlineHandle
cocaine helps you play teh pokerz imo
to all the posters attacking my op go see the effect on your poker game with a few lines of coke and you will have just a clue as to the benefit that those guys diagnosed with ADHD and helped with Ritalin or Adderal have . And no i dont think that it just makes them feel just normal - it makes them superfocussed and aggressive (poker wise) and elevates their reading and other abilities above those of many of the best non medicated players. Read the book - and talk to some of those players who boast a friendly Doc happy to write them up pharmacy passports to big $ every year. And yes it seems there are quite a few on here who do protest too much ...

Last edited by Redhotpoker; 05-16-2009 at 07:46 AM.
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05-16-2009 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
to all the posters attacking my op go see the effect on your poker game with a few lines of coke and you will have just a clue as to the benefit that those guys diagnosed with ADHD and helped with Ritalin or Adderal have . And no i dont think that it just makes them feel just normal - it makes them superfocussed and aggressive (poker wise) and elevates their reading and other abilities above those of many of the best non medicated players. Read the book - and talk to some of those players who boast a friendly Doc happy to write them up pharmacy passports to big $ every year. And yes it seems there are quite a few on here who do protest too much ...
listen op, ive written some crappy threads and posted some bull****..... but just do us all a favour and shove something large and oval shaped up your ass before you get another great idea to post again..... i mean jesus christ this has to be some of the dumbest **** ive read and the only reason i made it this far is cause i laughed the whole way at ppl berating you. go fk yourself and cash er in.
i bet mike is loling at you aswell. and one of the sideeffects is loss of humour from all the drugs hes taking. should he be banned?
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05-16-2009 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
to all the posters attacking my op go see the effect on your poker game with a few lines of coke and you will have just a clue as to the benefit that those guys diagnosed with ADHD and helped with Ritalin or Adderal have . And no i dont think that it just makes them feel just normal - it makes them superfocussed and aggressive (poker wise) and elevates their reading and other abilities above those of many of the best non medicated players. Read the book - and talk to some of those players who boast a friendly Doc happy to write them up pharmacy passports to big $ every year. And yes it seems there are quite a few on here who do protest too much ...
Good quality coke may help you focus for a while but think of all those hands you miss while running to the bathroom to chop out another.
OP go get yourself a spliff an chill baby
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05-16-2009 , 11:29 AM
my 0.02
i have a diagnosis [from childhood] of ADHD/depression.
I was on Lexapro for 2 years. Those 2 years of my life are, shall we say, bluuurrrrry.

I am currently on prescription for Wellbutrin.
I don't take it.
Wellbutrin fks up my poker game, as well as my everyday-life activities and my thought process.
Basically a necessary-evil thang of going to the shrink every 3 months 2 maintain my SSI status. At my age, with the current state of the economy, it makes no sense for me 2 re-enter the workforce.

When I stopped taking the Lexapro [I was still working @ the time] my co-workers had commented on how my focus and cognitive abilities had markedly improved afterwards.
At times, Lexapro felt like acid, without the buzz.

Last edited by spike420211; 05-16-2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason: sometimes my thoughts still get disorganized :(
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05-16-2009 , 12:36 PM
So much hate for OP because haters use adderall?

why else?
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05-16-2009 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
my 0.02
i have a diagnosis [from childhood] of ADHD/depression.
I was on Lexapro for 2 years. Those 2 years of my life are, shall we say, bluuurrrrry.
Mike also takes Lexapro, so he is prescribed a drug that has a negative effect on his game too. Let the "super-human" vs. "normal" debate continue.
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05-16-2009 , 01:43 PM
Ban shrooms, 4 color deck is a huge advantage for the online kiddies
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05-16-2009 , 02:07 PM
OP needs to stop being a pussy and get his own adderal then he would have more than super human focus he would have like MEGA SUPER HUMAN FOCUSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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05-16-2009 , 03:00 PM
Mikes problems with his medications is very well documented in many of his interviews and articles available on the net and on podcasts. I haven't read the book yet so I don't know how deep he goes into this subject. He has changed doctors and meds many times as he felt many of the meds made his problems worse and he could not live a normal life.

Remember the episode of HSP when he busted and all the players gave him money to come back in? He hadn't had his meds and was not thinking clearly.

I expect it would be difficult to keep to a regular routine living the life of a poker pro, but hopefully with his new meds and someone in his life to look after him better mike will continue to be a major force in live tournaments.

I for one wish him all the best for the wsop, drugs or no drugs
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05-16-2009 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
my 0.02
i have a diagnosis [from childhood] of ADHD/depression.
I was on Lexapro for 2 years. Those 2 years of my life are, shall we say, bluuurrrrry.

I am currently on prescription for Wellbutrin.
I don't take it.
Wellbutrin fks up my poker game, as well as my everyday-life activities and my thought process.
Basically a necessary-evil thang of going to the shrink every 3 months 2 maintain my SSI status. At my age, with the current state of the economy, it makes no sense for me 2 re-enter the workforce.

When I stopped taking the Lexapro [I was still working @ the time] my co-workers had commented on how my focus and cognitive abilities had markedly improved afterwards.
At times, Lexapro felt like acid, without the buzz.
i don't see what anti-depressants have to do with this thread. they're nothing like adderall/ritalin.
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05-16-2009 , 03:13 PM
also, i'm shocked a doctor would prescribe adderall to someone with a history of hardcore substance abuse. i guess it's b/c he's 'famous.'
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05-16-2009 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Redhotpoker
Mike admits dozens of times throughout his book that taking the "Ritalin" prescribed by his doctor for his ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) gives him a huge edge whilst playing poker. He says the drug elevates his consciousness and sustains his focus at superhuman levels for long periods which gives him the ability to do so well. He takes this drug legally and regularly now and is making big money.
Taking any form of mind altering chemical - legal or illegal- in the tournament surely arena gives those with them in their system an unfair edge over those self medicating with blueberries , yoga or just a good nights sleep so I think we should demand routine drug screening before awards of final table bracelets and money at the WSOP. If you read what Mikey says and then start thinking about some of the characters who have made their fame and fortune when they might have been "enhanced" isnt it a very unfair playing field for 7 weeks of what is a mind sport .
I dont believe it is fair that somebody who has an illness is given a medicine which can elevate their poker game to a standard which cannot be attained unless they are ill. By all means allow him to be medicated to lead a happy normal life but is the diagnosis of this condition a through ticket to $$$$$$$$$$$ .
Are you on crack right now ?
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